1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:23,930 [Music] 2 00:00:31,490 --> 00:00:27,390 you're in the para cast the gold 3 00:00:35,510 --> 00:00:31,500 standard of paranormal radio and now 4 00:00:38,610 --> 00:00:35,520 here's gene Stein 5 00:00:41,820 --> 00:00:38,620 this week on the power cast with Gene 6 00:00:44,940 --> 00:00:41,830 and Chris that long-promised episode 7 00:00:48,119 --> 00:00:44,950 where we explore lunar mysteries our 8 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:48,129 fascination with the moon why strange 9 00:00:55,170 --> 00:00:50,650 things seemed to happen there you know 10 00:00:57,510 --> 00:00:55,180 what inspired all those novels and 11 00:01:00,930 --> 00:00:57,520 movies about trips of the moon and the 12 00:01:03,540 --> 00:01:00,940 strange things we see there now Don 13 00:01:05,310 --> 00:01:03,550 Ecker of the dark matters radio show in 14 00:01:08,190 --> 00:01:05,320 the power cast forums is among our 15 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:08,200 guests also publisher author world 16 00:01:13,109 --> 00:01:11,050 traveler David Hatcher Childress making 17 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:13,119 a return Don let's start with you what 18 00:01:18,960 --> 00:01:15,250 is there about the moon that fascinates 19 00:01:22,290 --> 00:01:18,970 us its nearness to us what well first 20 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:22,300 off Jean it's really nice to be back 21 00:01:28,260 --> 00:01:25,090 with you and Chris and to reacquaint 22 00:01:31,109 --> 00:01:28,270 myself with David once again we're gonna 23 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:31,119 hit on one of my favorite topics which 24 00:01:39,059 --> 00:01:36,130 is the moon lunar transient phenomena 25 00:01:42,290 --> 00:01:39,069 lunar mysteries I guess you know there's 26 00:01:45,749 --> 00:01:42,300 nothing in the sky that's any more 27 00:01:49,020 --> 00:01:45,759 familiar to just about everybody on this 28 00:01:51,749 --> 00:01:49,030 planet than the moon it's always been 29 00:01:54,449 --> 00:01:51,759 there every time we go outside in the 30 00:01:58,100 --> 00:01:54,459 evening and we look at chances are we're 31 00:02:02,870 --> 00:01:58,110 going to see it it's that familiar face 32 00:02:06,630 --> 00:02:02,880 humankind have used it for centuries to 33 00:02:09,749 --> 00:02:06,640 tell itself when to plant crops when 34 00:02:13,380 --> 00:02:09,759 it's time to harvest crops men and women 35 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:13,390 lovers have have gone out cavorted under 36 00:02:18,750 --> 00:02:15,970 the moon since time immemorial I mean 37 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:18,760 it's just one of those things that we 38 00:02:25,979 --> 00:02:21,730 all take for granted but here's the 39 00:02:30,330 --> 00:02:25,989 other thing back in 1961 when President 40 00:02:33,010 --> 00:02:30,340 John F Kennedy pledged that America was 41 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:33,020 not only going into space that 42 00:02:39,490 --> 00:02:35,690 also by the end of that decade we were 43 00:02:42,580 --> 00:02:39,500 going to not only land on the moon the 44 00:02:45,250 --> 00:02:42,590 very genesis of our space effort not 45 00:02:47,980 --> 00:02:45,260 only were we going to land there but we 46 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:47,990 were going to return our astronauts back 47 00:02:53,740 --> 00:02:51,170 home safely and during that decade and 48 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:53,750 all of you guys will remember this 49 00:03:00,520 --> 00:02:57,050 during that decade there were promises 50 00:03:03,100 --> 00:03:00,530 made promises from NASA promises 51 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:03,110 throughout the media there were major 52 00:03:10,510 --> 00:03:05,810 motion pictures talking about the moon 53 00:03:13,060 --> 00:03:10,520 like arthur c clarke 2001 we all thought 54 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:13,070 we knew what was coming which would be 55 00:03:20,590 --> 00:03:16,370 going to the moon ultimately setting up 56 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:20,600 lunar colonies manufacturing in space 57 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:24,050 things that we could not do successfully 58 00:03:30,580 --> 00:03:27,290 here in the the 1g gravity of a planet 59 00:03:34,510 --> 00:03:30,590 earth and of course that other thing 60 00:03:38,170 --> 00:03:34,520 which was very seldom mentioned but was 61 00:03:41,970 --> 00:03:38,180 there nonetheless a military presence on 62 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:41,980 the moon now granted we spent untold 63 00:03:48,580 --> 00:03:45,170 billions of dollars to get there the 64 00:03:51,460 --> 00:03:48,590 soviet union at that time in a mechanic 65 00:03:55,510 --> 00:03:51,470 race with us spent untold billions of 66 00:03:57,820 --> 00:03:55,520 rubles to get there enjoy the 20th 1969 67 00:04:00,699 --> 00:03:57,830 a date that will forever live in my 68 00:04:04,570 --> 00:04:00,709 memory we touched down and we thought 69 00:04:07,660 --> 00:04:04,580 that was the beginning but unfortunately 70 00:04:10,530 --> 00:04:07,670 it was not we ended up going up there 71 00:04:15,460 --> 00:04:10,540 about seven times landed successfully 72 00:04:17,349 --> 00:04:15,470 only six and in December of 1972 also 73 00:04:20,229 --> 00:04:17,359 another date that will live in my memory 74 00:04:23,700 --> 00:04:20,239 we return from the moon for the very 75 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:23,710 last time now what was really surprising 76 00:04:30,370 --> 00:04:26,570 about that number one there was never 77 00:04:33,610 --> 00:04:30,380 really any explanation from NASA on why 78 00:04:36,940 --> 00:04:33,620 we stopped going to the moon other than 79 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:36,950 well you know the American public just 80 00:04:43,150 --> 00:04:40,010 doesn't seem to care much anymore and 81 00:04:45,610 --> 00:04:43,160 you know they don't care where we're 82 00:04:48,580 --> 00:04:45,620 just gonna kind of call it off even 83 00:04:51,490 --> 00:04:48,590 though we had already built additional 84 00:04:54,490 --> 00:04:51,500 Saturn rockets to go back up there we 85 00:04:56,740 --> 00:04:54,500 had astronauts trained we had all the 86 00:04:59,320 --> 00:04:56,750 equipment sitting on the launch pad 87 00:05:02,200 --> 00:04:59,330 ready to go all they needed to do was 88 00:05:06,310 --> 00:05:02,210 like the candle never happen then the 89 00:05:08,770 --> 00:05:06,320 rumor started perhaps just perhaps we 90 00:05:10,719 --> 00:05:08,780 were warned off the moon and I think 91 00:05:12,909 --> 00:05:10,729 that's a that's a great place to stop 92 00:05:15,909 --> 00:05:12,919 right now gene there's a movie coming 93 00:05:17,469 --> 00:05:15,919 out later this year called Apollo 18 and 94 00:05:20,140 --> 00:05:17,479 I guess this is a kind of a horror film 95 00:05:22,750 --> 00:05:20,150 in the tradition of Blair Witch Project 96 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:22,760 where it kind of has a semi documentary 97 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:26,690 feel where they present a lunar landing 98 00:05:33,159 --> 00:05:29,690 where we are warned off by 80 is that 99 00:05:36,969 --> 00:05:33,169 what it's about yeah you see this is one 100 00:05:40,330 --> 00:05:36,979 of the things that in all my years of 101 00:05:45,810 --> 00:05:40,340 lunar research and I I went back 102 00:05:49,750 --> 00:05:45,820 starting at the very beginning in 1976 a 103 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:49,760 tremendously powerful important book was 104 00:05:54,930 --> 00:05:53,090 published that was almost gone as 105 00:05:57,580 --> 00:05:54,940 quickly as it hit the book shelves 106 00:06:00,279 --> 00:05:57,590 titled somebody else was on the moon by 107 00:06:03,159 --> 00:06:00,289 an author by the name of George Leonard 108 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:03,169 now Leonard was an American scientist 109 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:05,810 had friends and associates that were 110 00:06:12,430 --> 00:06:09,289 working within the Apollo program after 111 00:06:15,460 --> 00:06:12,440 Apollo was cancelled he was in contact 112 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:15,470 with some of these people was able to 113 00:06:22,210 --> 00:06:19,130 enter NASA and see a lot of the 114 00:06:24,730 --> 00:06:22,220 photographs that they had taken which at 115 00:06:27,190 --> 00:06:24,740 that time for the most part were totally 116 00:06:31,330 --> 00:06:27,200 unknown to the American public 117 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:31,340 ended up writing this book and in it he 118 00:06:38,230 --> 00:06:34,130 also published a number of photographs 119 00:06:40,870 --> 00:06:38,240 that were breathtaking in the in what 120 00:06:43,810 --> 00:06:40,880 they showed what they seemed to show I 121 00:06:47,469 --> 00:06:43,820 guess I should say and what the 122 00:06:49,029 --> 00:06:47,479 implications were if his interpretation 123 00:06:51,820 --> 00:06:49,039 of what he was seeing was correct and 124 00:06:55,110 --> 00:06:51,830 that was in essence and let me just 125 00:06:58,520 --> 00:06:55,120 distill it for you that there was 126 00:07:02,340 --> 00:06:58,530 and perhaps still is an extraterrestrial 127 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:02,350 presence particularly on the far side of 128 00:07:07,830 --> 00:07:05,050 the moon the surface the part of the 129 00:07:11,700 --> 00:07:07,840 moon that we never see and that 130 00:07:15,270 --> 00:07:11,710 apparently this facility has been in 131 00:07:18,300 --> 00:07:15,280 operation a very long time 132 00:07:22,140 --> 00:07:18,310 now over the years there have been a lot 133 00:07:26,189 --> 00:07:22,150 of things that have eventually surfaced 134 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:26,199 to suggest that perhaps there is 135 00:07:31,950 --> 00:07:28,570 something there now of course nASA has 136 00:07:34,620 --> 00:07:31,960 spent its career in denying reports like 137 00:07:37,860 --> 00:07:34,630 this denying reports that we were 138 00:07:40,020 --> 00:07:37,870 quote-unquote warned off the moon but 139 00:07:41,490 --> 00:07:40,030 there have been tremendous questions 140 00:07:45,750 --> 00:07:41,500 that have been asked that have never 141 00:07:48,540 --> 00:07:45,760 been answered by anybody within NASA and 142 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:48,550 during that period of time I have also 143 00:07:54,450 --> 00:07:51,570 collected quite a large library of 144 00:07:59,310 --> 00:07:54,460 photographs that most of the public are 145 00:08:01,920 --> 00:07:59,320 also not aware of that seem to show that 146 00:08:06,510 --> 00:08:01,930 there are mechanical devices up there 147 00:08:10,110 --> 00:08:06,520 some gigantic in scope that suggests 148 00:08:11,250 --> 00:08:10,120 that somebody has a presence that's been 149 00:08:13,740 --> 00:08:11,260 up there a long time 150 00:08:15,210 --> 00:08:13,750 David Hatcher Childress what attracted 151 00:08:18,510 --> 00:08:15,220 you as someone who has explored 152 00:08:20,190 --> 00:08:18,520 mysteries on the earth to the prospects 153 00:08:25,620 --> 00:08:20,200 the promise of what might be going on in 154 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:25,630 the moon well yeah I just by Dawn I he's 155 00:08:29,490 --> 00:08:27,250 older than me but yeah I remember 156 00:08:31,950 --> 00:08:29,500 watching all the NASA Apollo missions 157 00:08:34,829 --> 00:08:31,960 and all that and I remember and I have 158 00:08:37,170 --> 00:08:34,839 the book I knew George Leonard who wrote 159 00:08:40,199 --> 00:08:37,180 somebody else is on the moon and that 160 00:08:44,550 --> 00:08:40,209 book was followed by a couple of other 161 00:08:46,980 --> 00:08:44,560 books by a guy named his name was Don 162 00:08:48,329 --> 00:08:46,990 Wilson and he wrote two books and also 163 00:08:51,930 --> 00:08:48,339 appeared in the 70s called 164 00:08:55,230 --> 00:08:51,940 our mysterious spaceship moon and then 165 00:08:58,380 --> 00:08:55,240 there was sequel called secrets of our 166 00:09:01,140 --> 00:08:58,390 spaceship moon and that book unlike 167 00:09:02,610 --> 00:09:01,150 Leonard's books book which was a 168 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:02,620 hardback and then it was a paperback 169 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:04,810 that did have some photos as dawn said 170 00:09:08,680 --> 00:09:08,050 but and some drawings that Leonard had 171 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:08,690 done 172 00:09:14,259 --> 00:09:12,290 and it had maybe Ken photos in it or 173 00:09:15,699 --> 00:09:14,269 something and Don Wilson's books had no 174 00:09:18,759 --> 00:09:15,709 photos in it at all 175 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:18,769 but it was much the same theory that the 176 00:09:26,019 --> 00:09:22,250 moon is occupied it's actually some kind 177 00:09:27,879 --> 00:09:26,029 of artificial spaceship even and that 178 00:09:29,590 --> 00:09:27,889 there of course are all these anomalies 179 00:09:33,069 --> 00:09:29,600 are experiments on the moons their dome 180 00:09:34,780 --> 00:09:33,079 cities they're these like moving Rovers 181 00:09:36,460 --> 00:09:34,790 that are moving on the on the moon 182 00:09:38,319 --> 00:09:36,470 lander believed that there were these 183 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:38,329 also these what he call these these 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--> 00:15:16,029 the late 80s called alien bases on the 311 00:15:21,779 --> 00:15:18,609 moon that old that that book had more 312 00:15:24,959 --> 00:15:21,789 photos and credits tackling was his name 313 00:15:27,629 --> 00:15:24,969 and he was a German American who had 314 00:15:30,119 --> 00:15:27,639 worked for NASA and liked work Leonard 315 00:15:34,139 --> 00:15:30,129 he also was able to get his hands on a 316 00:15:35,729 --> 00:15:34,149 lot of the Apollo and Gemini photos the 317 00:15:38,279 --> 00:15:35,739 stuff of the Moon as I got really 318 00:15:40,439 --> 00:15:38,289 fascinated by it and I was traveling all 319 00:15:43,259 --> 00:15:40,449 over the world at a time as I still do 320 00:15:45,149 --> 00:15:43,269 and I was in Australia and England and I 321 00:15:46,889 --> 00:15:45,159 started collecting books there on the 322 00:15:49,109 --> 00:15:46,899 moon I found it actually some of the 323 00:15:50,669 --> 00:15:49,119 best books of photos and things of the 324 00:15:53,159 --> 00:15:50,679 Moon were actually these British 325 00:15:56,189 --> 00:15:53,169 astronomy books not not American books 326 00:15:59,789 --> 00:15:56,199 and those books too also had a lot of 327 00:16:01,919 --> 00:15:59,799 the Soviet Zond photos of the moon and 328 00:16:04,439 --> 00:16:01,929 the more that I pored over all those 329 00:16:08,249 --> 00:16:04,449 photos I think I became fascinated and 330 00:16:09,509 --> 00:16:08,259 ultimately I released a book which has 331 00:16:13,109 --> 00:16:09,519 now been in three different editions 332 00:16:16,619 --> 00:16:13,119 called extraterrestrial archaeology that 333 00:16:18,779 --> 00:16:16,629 book I sought to put all this 334 00:16:20,580 --> 00:16:18,789 information from George Leonard's books 335 00:16:23,070 --> 00:16:20,590 and Don Wilson and cred stack 336 00:16:25,019 --> 00:16:23,080 and others the Soviet photos there's 337 00:16:27,300 --> 00:16:25,029 what's called the Blair cuspids on the 338 00:16:30,990 --> 00:16:27,310 moon which are these obelisks there and 339 00:16:33,450 --> 00:16:31,000 put them together in a large format book 340 00:16:37,410 --> 00:16:33,460 where people could really see these 341 00:16:40,140 --> 00:16:37,420 photos black and white in a large format 342 00:16:42,269 --> 00:16:40,150 and look at them themselves and as I 343 00:16:47,030 --> 00:16:42,279 symbol that book I became astonished 344 00:16:49,590 --> 00:16:47,040 myself at all of the anomalistic 345 00:16:52,500 --> 00:16:49,600 structures on the moon where you can 346 00:16:55,530 --> 00:16:52,510 clearly see these things are are 347 00:16:58,070 --> 00:16:55,540 pyramids there's the crater ara stealin 348 00:17:01,620 --> 00:16:58,080 on the moon and in the middle of that 349 00:17:03,030 --> 00:17:01,630 crater like seven pyramids and you see 350 00:17:05,699 --> 00:17:03,040 them clearly in the photos 351 00:17:07,500 --> 00:17:05,709 no NASA would say oh yeah well though 352 00:17:10,110 --> 00:17:07,510 you know they're they look like pyramids 353 00:17:11,370 --> 00:17:10,120 but they're not really artificial 354 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:11,380 pyramids or something there just 355 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:12,610 happened to be these mountains in the 356 00:17:17,340 --> 00:17:14,290 moon but yeah they look like perfect 357 00:17:19,350 --> 00:17:17,350 pyramids but then when you ask them and 358 00:17:21,689 --> 00:17:19,360 it's more difficult for them to explain 359 00:17:23,910 --> 00:17:21,699 things that are moving on the moon and 360 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:23,920 leaving tracks behind them they're like 361 00:17:28,439 --> 00:17:26,170 those like in star wars those big 362 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:28,449 vehicles that are moving around through 363 00:17:32,580 --> 00:17:30,250 these desert planets or something and 364 00:17:35,220 --> 00:17:32,590 they're their factories themselves that 365 00:17:36,870 --> 00:17:35,230 are moving around and NASA was took 366 00:17:39,660 --> 00:17:36,880 photographs of these things and you can 367 00:17:43,050 --> 00:17:39,670 see the tracks that are made from them 368 00:17:45,210 --> 00:17:43,060 NASA then also says well oh well those 369 00:17:48,450 --> 00:17:45,220 are just rocks rolling around on the 370 00:17:51,180 --> 00:17:48,460 moon and that earthquakes shape these 371 00:17:53,130 --> 00:17:51,190 big rocks off of hills and stuff and 372 00:17:55,710 --> 00:17:53,140 then they roll down the hill and leave 373 00:17:58,169 --> 00:17:55,720 these tracks but in one case that the 374 00:18:00,300 --> 00:17:58,179 tracks of this this thing this rock or 375 00:18:03,270 --> 00:18:00,310 machine that's that's actually moving on 376 00:18:05,190 --> 00:18:03,280 the bone it actually comes up out of a 377 00:18:07,530 --> 00:18:05,200 crater and then goes down the other side 378 00:18:09,570 --> 00:18:07,540 so how can it be how could it just be 379 00:18:12,030 --> 00:18:09,580 rolling around on the moon it doesn't 380 00:18:15,810 --> 00:18:12,040 make that that's amazing and David is 381 00:18:20,010 --> 00:18:15,820 David is absolutely correct when I 382 00:18:23,510 --> 00:18:20,020 really became interested in questions 383 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:23,520 about activity that was basically 384 00:18:30,450 --> 00:18:26,170 inexplicable on the moon started back in 385 00:18:32,940 --> 00:18:30,460 the very early 1990s now at that time I 386 00:18:33,690 --> 00:18:32,950 was the director of research for UFO 387 00:18:38,220 --> 00:18:33,700 magazine 388 00:18:41,670 --> 00:18:38,230 and I had a radio program that aired 389 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:41,680 once a week on CRN called UFOs tonight 390 00:18:47,790 --> 00:18:45,490 and during one of those broadcast as it 391 00:18:50,700 --> 00:18:47,800 turned out one of my listeners got in 392 00:18:53,940 --> 00:18:50,710 touch with me a fella by the name of Jim 393 00:18:56,250 --> 00:18:53,950 Sylvan and Jim had been studying 394 00:18:57,810 --> 00:18:56,260 questions about lunar phenomenon as a 395 00:19:01,170 --> 00:18:57,820 matter of fact lived out here on the 396 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:01,180 west coast and had started a side 397 00:19:07,260 --> 00:19:04,690 business where he was making some of 398 00:19:10,950 --> 00:19:07,270 these lunar photographs available to the 399 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:10,960 public and he had contacted me because 400 00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:12,850 he had heard one show where I had a guy 401 00:19:18,780 --> 00:19:15,130 on there and we were discussing some of 402 00:19:20,850 --> 00:19:18,790 these loner inexplicable events and then 403 00:19:23,250 --> 00:19:20,860 ended up sending me a package of 404 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:23,260 photographs now when I received those 405 00:19:28,710 --> 00:19:26,290 and I started going through those some 406 00:19:31,950 --> 00:19:28,720 of those photographs in fact showed for 407 00:19:34,620 --> 00:19:31,960 example what David just mentioned about 408 00:19:36,660 --> 00:19:34,630 rolling objects on the surface of the 409 00:19:40,950 --> 00:19:36,670 Moon now that was one of the most at 410 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:40,960 that time breathtaking photographs that 411 00:19:48,870 --> 00:19:46,050 I had seen now I had seen a very small 412 00:19:52,530 --> 00:19:48,880 representation of this in Leonard's book 413 00:19:55,230 --> 00:19:52,540 I had the paperback copy of the book and 414 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:55,240 for any of you guys that have seen that 415 00:20:00,630 --> 00:19:57,490 book and you know that especially the 416 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:00,640 paperback version was really not that 417 00:20:07,010 --> 00:20:03,010 great when it came to some of these 418 00:20:09,420 --> 00:20:07,020 photos but having the actual photograph 419 00:20:11,970 --> 00:20:09,430 was something entirely different so I 420 00:20:13,860 --> 00:20:11,980 got in touch with Jim and ended up 421 00:20:17,010 --> 00:20:13,870 inviting him to come on the program and 422 00:20:20,310 --> 00:20:17,020 we did the first of several broadcast on 423 00:20:23,100 --> 00:20:20,320 my show with with Jim Sylvan where we 424 00:20:26,670 --> 00:20:23,110 discussed some of this stuff now at the 425 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:26,680 time Jim told me that he had been 426 00:20:33,780 --> 00:20:30,010 studying this at that time probably 10 427 00:20:36,300 --> 00:20:33,790 or 12 years and that he was fairly 428 00:20:39,020 --> 00:20:36,310 convinced that whatever was going on up 429 00:20:42,300 --> 00:20:39,030 there was certainly by no human agency 430 00:20:46,950 --> 00:20:42,310 now I began to do some research on that 431 00:20:50,850 --> 00:20:46,960 in 1990 I believe it was 95 I finally 432 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:50,860 able to secure a interview with a guy by 433 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:53,850 the name of Vito Sakaki who was a 434 00:20:57,659 --> 00:20:56,890 petroleum engineer based down in Houston 435 00:21:01,380 --> 00:20:57,669 Texas 436 00:21:04,710 --> 00:21:01,390 he came on my program and basically I 437 00:21:07,220 --> 00:21:04,720 had one of the most astounding broadcast 438 00:21:08,490 --> 00:21:07,230 I think I ever had in my entire career 439 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:08,500 now 440 00:21:16,370 --> 00:21:12,730 what basically Sakaki told me was that 441 00:21:21,360 --> 00:21:16,380 back in the late 1970s actually about 442 00:21:23,820 --> 00:21:21,370 1979 this company was working in 443 00:21:26,399 --> 00:21:23,830 connection with an American firm based 444 00:21:29,100 --> 00:21:26,409 down in Venezuela and one of those 445 00:21:32,970 --> 00:21:29,110 engineers for whatever reason was coming 446 00:21:35,490 --> 00:21:32,980 up to the states and his firm asked Beto 447 00:21:37,169 --> 00:21:35,500 if he would basically Shepherd this guy 448 00:21:40,649 --> 00:21:37,179 around for several weeks that he was 449 00:21:44,010 --> 00:21:40,659 going to be in town and they had become 450 00:21:46,049 --> 00:21:44,020 friends over a period of time through 451 00:21:48,930 --> 00:21:46,059 their electronic communications back 452 00:21:51,269 --> 00:21:48,940 then the skys name was Lester house and 453 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:51,279 when Lester got up there one of the 454 00:21:56,490 --> 00:21:53,890 first things he did after they actually 455 00:21:58,769 --> 00:21:56,500 met face-to-face for the first time was 456 00:22:01,320 --> 00:21:58,779 reach into his pocket pull out a copy of 457 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:01,330 Leonard's book he handed it to Vito and 458 00:22:05,820 --> 00:22:04,210 said do me a favor go home tonight read 459 00:22:06,750 --> 00:22:05,830 this and then I want to talk to you 460 00:22:10,260 --> 00:22:06,760 about it tomorrow 461 00:22:12,990 --> 00:22:10,270 so Sakaki did the next day when he came 462 00:22:14,669 --> 00:22:13,000 back to work and they met he was kind of 463 00:22:17,010 --> 00:22:14,679 blown away by what he had read in 464 00:22:20,970 --> 00:22:17,020 Leonard's book which discussed a lot of 465 00:22:23,340 --> 00:22:20,980 bees and novelists events so what Lester 466 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:23,350 wanted to do on his time up there was to 467 00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:27,250 go over to NASA in Houston and basically 468 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:30,880 see these photographs well little did 469 00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:33,970 they know about the three-week Odyssey 470 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:36,640 they were about to undertake when they 471 00:22:41,220 --> 00:22:38,770 went over to see what they thought were 472 00:22:44,159 --> 00:22:41,230 these publicly funded publicly available 473 00:22:45,630 --> 00:22:44,169 lunar photographs now for anybody that 474 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:45,640 heard that show you'll know what I'm 475 00:22:47,940 --> 00:22:46,570 talking about 476 00:22:49,799 --> 00:22:47,950 I'm gonna ask you something about that 477 00:22:52,350 --> 00:22:49,809 in a moment on Ecker we have Don 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it's 591 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:33,780 all moon all the time with Don Ecker and 592 00:27:38,540 --> 00:27:35,850 David hatchery Childress with gene and 593 00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:38,550 Chris on the para cast done this 594 00:27:43,940 --> 00:27:41,520 particular episode that you did this 595 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:43,950 lunar discussion is that available for 596 00:27:48,020 --> 00:27:45,570 download is that one of those shows that 597 00:27:50,930 --> 00:27:48,030 you have available in our forums yes 598 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:50,940 it's not only in the dark matters radio 599 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:54,090 forum but it's also in the dark matters 600 00:27:58,850 --> 00:27:57,330 radio archives if you go up to dark 601 00:28:01,850 --> 00:27:58,860 matter it's radio.com 602 00:28:05,300 --> 00:28:01,860 the very top of the page it will take 603 00:28:08,090 --> 00:28:05,310 you right into the archives and yes that 604 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:08,100 that show is available so it's it's 605 00:28:12,620 --> 00:28:10,050 really available in two spots on the 606 00:28:15,260 --> 00:28:12,630 para cast the dark matter two radio form 607 00:28:16,610 --> 00:28:15,270 and on the dark matters archives one way 608 00:28:19,550 --> 00:28:16,620 or the other you can get yourself a copy 609 00:28:23,690 --> 00:28:19,560 absolutely okay yeah I'm hanging on my 610 00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:23,700 CD or Don what like a thumbnail sketch 611 00:28:28,970 --> 00:28:26,880 of what their three-week period ended up 612 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:28,980 producing well they went over to NASA 613 00:28:34,730 --> 00:28:31,290 they kind of thought that they would 614 00:28:37,940 --> 00:28:34,740 just walk in say hi here we are where 615 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:37,950 the tax payers and we'd like to see 616 00:28:46,190 --> 00:28:43,290 those moon photographs well to say at 617 00:28:49,250 --> 00:28:46,200 the very least he were treated like 618 00:28:52,220 --> 00:28:49,260 possible Russian agents they were 619 00:28:54,290 --> 00:28:52,230 shoveled from one area to another they 620 00:28:58,820 --> 00:28:54,300 were literally put on a merry-go-round 621 00:29:01,220 --> 00:28:58,830 at one point they were given a building 622 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:01,230 number they were not allowed to bring 623 00:29:06,740 --> 00:29:04,770 their their vehicle on the site itself 624 00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:06,750 they had to walk everywhere and I mean 625 00:29:12,350 --> 00:29:09,120 you know the NASA facilities pretty darn 626 00:29:15,380 --> 00:29:12,360 big they were given a building to go to 627 00:29:17,690 --> 00:29:15,390 to see these photographs and there were 628 00:29:18,460 --> 00:29:17,700 actually two buildings with that number 629 00:29:21,460 --> 00:29:18,470 one in 630 00:29:24,130 --> 00:29:21,470 and wannabe they went to the first one 631 00:29:29,110 --> 00:29:24,140 and it was basically just an empty 632 00:29:30,909 --> 00:29:29,120 hangar as described by Vito and they 633 00:29:34,510 --> 00:29:30,919 looked and they said well gee maybe this 634 00:29:36,490 --> 00:29:34,520 is not the right one so they went to the 635 00:29:40,270 --> 00:29:36,500 other building they finally found it 636 00:29:43,930 --> 00:29:40,280 walked in and when they walked in this 637 00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:43,940 was exactly at the time that the massive 638 00:29:48,669 --> 00:29:46,640 Voyager mission was spinning beginning 639 00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:48,679 to send back its photographs it's 640 00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:53,360 telemetry from I believe it was oh jeez 641 00:29:58,690 --> 00:29:56,809 I believe it was Saturn and they got in 642 00:29:59,860 --> 00:29:58,700 there and they stood around nobody knew 643 00:30:03,909 --> 00:29:59,870 who these guys were 644 00:30:06,279 --> 00:30:03,919 and all these these NASA technicians 645 00:30:08,169 --> 00:30:06,289 were doing and eying at all these 646 00:30:11,049 --> 00:30:08,179 photographs that were streaming back 647 00:30:12,820 --> 00:30:11,059 they saw these two new guys that had 648 00:30:15,970 --> 00:30:12,830 walked in I guess they thought they were 649 00:30:20,590 --> 00:30:15,980 somehow connected with the Voyager 650 00:30:21,970 --> 00:30:20,600 mission and finally one guy turned to 651 00:30:23,770 --> 00:30:21,980 Vito and said hey what do you think 652 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:23,780 about that and he looked at the picture 653 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:25,010 oh yeah that's great 654 00:30:31,149 --> 00:30:28,370 and Lester his buddy walked up and said 655 00:30:36,159 --> 00:30:31,159 yeah and by the way how about those moon 656 00:30:39,399 --> 00:30:36,169 photos suddenly all these people turned 657 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:39,409 around and they looked at him and they 658 00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:41,330 started covering up their computer 659 00:30:47,409 --> 00:30:44,240 monitors and everything and they they 660 00:30:52,270 --> 00:30:47,419 called security security ended up coming 661 00:30:56,529 --> 00:30:52,280 over and they threatened to arrest them 662 00:30:58,539 --> 00:30:56,539 for espionage and they later figured out 663 00:31:01,810 --> 00:30:58,549 that they were sent to this building 664 00:31:03,490 --> 00:31:01,820 probably to try to scare them off well 665 00:31:08,590 --> 00:31:03,500 this kind of business went on for 666 00:31:11,799 --> 00:31:08,600 several weeks until finally they did get 667 00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:11,809 to the correct place where these lunar 668 00:31:19,510 --> 00:31:15,200 photographs were stored they went down 669 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:19,520 there but all the numerical you know 670 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:22,250 designators on the photographs that they 671 00:31:28,659 --> 00:31:24,890 had gotten originally from George 672 00:31:30,789 --> 00:31:28,669 Leonard when the archivist asked them 673 00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:30,799 what photographs they were there to see 674 00:31:34,180 --> 00:31:32,240 they gave it to him he 675 00:31:37,180 --> 00:31:34,190 get it and said well this won't do you 676 00:31:39,810 --> 00:31:37,190 any good and they said well why not 677 00:31:44,050 --> 00:31:39,820 because these are the numbers that 678 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:44,060 Leonard used back in the DC area well as 679 00:31:52,030 --> 00:31:48,730 it turned out NASA had four 680 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:52,040 geographically different archives for 681 00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:55,090 these these lunar photographs each 682 00:32:02,740 --> 00:32:00,080 archive had a different designator for 683 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:02,750 these photographs that would be like 684 00:32:08,830 --> 00:32:06,530 going to a different public library than 685 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:08,840 the one you're used to and they had a 686 00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:11,810 different Dewey Decimal System it's not 687 00:32:16,300 --> 00:32:13,760 a way than to kind of hide the 688 00:32:20,350 --> 00:32:16,310 information so it's not readily obvious 689 00:32:23,050 --> 00:32:20,360 that it's there I would think yeah it is 690 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:23,060 when they started to kick up a fuss 691 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:26,450 about this they ended up having to fill 692 00:32:37,390 --> 00:32:32,210 out some forms and no really typical 693 00:32:40,510 --> 00:32:37,400 government behavior things like were you 694 00:32:42,550 --> 00:32:40,520 or anybody in your family ever a member 695 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:42,560 of the Communist Party I mean that kind 696 00:32:48,790 --> 00:32:45,370 of stuff sure just absolutely ludicrous 697 00:32:51,670 --> 00:32:48,800 stuff and they filled all these out they 698 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:51,680 had to be sent back to wherever these 699 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:54,770 guys were checked out finally they were 700 00:32:59,460 --> 00:32:57,170 given the right designators to see these 701 00:33:03,790 --> 00:32:59,470 these photographs now this is after 702 00:33:07,180 --> 00:33:03,800 three weeks of going through literally 703 00:33:10,150 --> 00:33:07,190 hell to see these public NASA moon 704 00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:10,160 photos the payoff was when they were 705 00:33:14,130 --> 00:33:12,080 finally allowed to see them and they 706 00:33:18,220 --> 00:33:14,140 told them which and it was a series of 707 00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:18,230 40 photographs the same photographs that 708 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:20,720 Leonard had mentioned in his book what 709 00:33:27,870 --> 00:33:23,690 they ended up seeing it turned out to be 710 00:33:31,180 --> 00:33:27,880 several thousand photographs because 711 00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:31,190 whenever the cameras would see something 712 00:33:36,340 --> 00:33:33,440 of interest they would start to shoot 713 00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:36,350 photos of it but then it would zoom in 714 00:33:41,710 --> 00:33:39,440 and shoot more photos and then zoom in 715 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:41,720 and shoot more photos now this is 716 00:33:46,030 --> 00:33:43,370 something a lot of people were not aware 717 00:33:49,210 --> 00:33:46,040 of but they had basically 718 00:33:50,890 --> 00:33:49,220 some extreme close-ups stuff that has 719 00:33:52,930 --> 00:33:50,900 never been made available to the 720 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:52,940 American public and these photographs 721 00:34:00,310 --> 00:33:56,330 now of course by this time my bottom 722 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:00,320 line was okay veto what did you guys see 723 00:34:04,750 --> 00:34:02,570 I mean you know this is a hell of a 724 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:04,760 story it's really fascinating it's even 725 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:08,090 been funny but what's the bottom line he 726 00:34:14,770 --> 00:34:11,450 said Don he said we saw construction 727 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:14,780 he said we saw what looked like massive 728 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:17,690 pipes the things that Leonard referred 729 00:34:24,850 --> 00:34:21,410 to as extras we saw those and I said 730 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:24,860 okay let me ask you this did you see 731 00:34:31,570 --> 00:34:28,970 anything that could think we even be 732 00:34:32,380 --> 00:34:31,580 described as an unidentified flying 733 00:34:35,290 --> 00:34:32,390 object 734 00:34:38,830 --> 00:34:35,300 a UFO what you thought might have been 735 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:38,840 some type of extraterrestrial craft and 736 00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:41,330 he said yes so what's the bottom line 737 00:34:46,780 --> 00:34:44,000 veto he said there was a presence up 738 00:34:49,810 --> 00:34:46,790 there he said and I think not only is 739 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:49,820 that the reason they were so adamant 740 00:34:55,750 --> 00:34:52,130 about people not seeing this stuff but 741 00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:55,760 the majority of photographs that have 742 00:35:03,670 --> 00:34:58,960 been released over the years have been 743 00:35:06,850 --> 00:35:03,680 incredibly low resolution so to prove 744 00:35:09,220 --> 00:35:06,860 that very point was that Lester wanted 745 00:35:11,020 --> 00:35:09,230 to know his friend wanted to know if any 746 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:11,030 of these photographs could be purchased 747 00:35:17,980 --> 00:35:14,170 by the public and they said yes so 748 00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:17,990 vetoes company ended up springing for 749 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:20,240 him to buy some of these photographs and 750 00:35:25,780 --> 00:35:22,850 it took a number of weeks for them to be 751 00:35:28,770 --> 00:35:25,790 made ready and when they were ready and 752 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:28,780 they were received they were all 753 00:35:36,190 --> 00:35:32,450 incredibly low resolution photographs 754 00:35:38,110 --> 00:35:36,200 with a lot of the detail muddied out now 755 00:35:40,210 --> 00:35:38,120 for anybody that's ever looked at a lot 756 00:35:42,730 --> 00:35:40,220 of lunar photographs you'll know exactly 757 00:35:44,710 --> 00:35:42,740 what I'm talking about when I say they 758 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:44,720 were muddied out now one of the things 759 00:35:49,900 --> 00:35:46,970 that I hope we get a chance to discuss 760 00:35:56,650 --> 00:35:49,910 later in the program is the fact that 761 00:35:59,710 --> 00:35:56,660 many years later in 1994 in fact we did 762 00:36:02,170 --> 00:35:59,720 go back to the moon but not NASA 763 00:36:05,470 --> 00:36:02,180 the ballistic missile defense 764 00:36:08,319 --> 00:36:05,480 organization or Department of Defense in 765 00:36:11,230 --> 00:36:08,329 connection with NASA went back to the 766 00:36:13,660 --> 00:36:11,240 moon with the Clementine project and 767 00:36:16,299 --> 00:36:13,670 that in itself is a hell of a story I 768 00:36:19,089 --> 00:36:16,309 can see where it is we're going to look 769 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:19,099 also at the questions pro and con about 770 00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:21,410 the photographs about the evidence and 771 00:36:27,339 --> 00:36:23,839 what the heck is going on with our space 772 00:36:30,910 --> 00:36:27,349 program why have we cut back if there's 773 00:36:35,829 --> 00:36:30,920 any evidence of activity on the moon 774 00:36:38,620 --> 00:36:35,839 from them we have Don Ecker he hosted 775 00:36:42,039 --> 00:36:38,630 the Dark Matters radio show and so Jane 776 00:36:45,099 --> 00:36:42,049 is it back on yet or well it's running 777 00:36:48,789 --> 00:36:45,109 every night I have not yet released any 778 00:36:51,010 --> 00:36:48,799 new shows in a while okay it's running 779 00:36:53,170 --> 00:36:51,020 Monday through Friday I'm cyber station 780 00:36:55,839 --> 00:36:53,180 USA very good we have David Hatcher 781 00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:55,849 childress author and publisher I'm Jean 782 00:37:06,970 --> 00:36:57,650 Steinberg the co-host is Chris O'Brien 783 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:06,980 you're in the para cast Ray Perkins a 784 00:37:11,250 --> 00:37:08,930 reclusive veteran burned out from the 785 00:37:14,109 --> 00:37:11,260 Gulf War lives tortured by relentless 786 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00:41:15,369 the author of tabloids man the basking 885 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:17,830 care of death you're in the para cast 886 00:41:23,070 --> 00:41:20,530 and now I'm on this show because the 887 00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:23,080 Queen herself asked me to do it she 888 00:41:27,420 --> 00:41:24,730 knows and what she told me 889 00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:27,430 the para cast is a gold standard of 890 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:29,920 paranormal broadcasting listen and be 891 00:41:40,340 --> 00:41:32,010 spooked 892 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:40,350 I guess Chris and I can be flies on the 893 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:44,970 wall here right yeah I think we're kind 894 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:46,770 of getting ahead of ourselves a little 895 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:49,410 bit dawn made a very interesting post a 896 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:52,770 couple of days ago on the forum that is 897 00:41:59,450 --> 00:41:56,010 just a fascinating list of transient 898 00:42:02,450 --> 00:41:59,460 lunar phenomenon David you're pretty up 899 00:42:05,210 --> 00:42:02,460 to speed on the history of anomalies on 900 00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:05,220 the moon ever since the the development 901 00:42:09,470 --> 00:42:07,680 and invention of the telescope pretty 902 00:42:12,020 --> 00:42:09,480 much strange things have been seen 903 00:42:14,030 --> 00:42:12,030 flashes of light objects seeming to 904 00:42:15,290 --> 00:42:14,040 transit across the the face of the Moon 905 00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:15,300 you want to talk about some of the 906 00:42:21,470 --> 00:42:18,800 histories that we have of these strange 907 00:42:24,890 --> 00:42:21,480 sites and uh seen by astronomers well 908 00:42:26,450 --> 00:42:24,900 sure early astronomers with I mean yeah 909 00:42:28,250 --> 00:42:26,460 once they developed telescopes and 910 00:42:29,780 --> 00:42:28,260 things even before that they were seeing 911 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:29,790 all kinds of stuff on the moon they 912 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:32,970 thought they saw cities they thought 913 00:42:36,410 --> 00:42:33,330 they saw 914 00:42:39,230 --> 00:42:36,420 structures on the moon there's what they 915 00:42:43,210 --> 00:42:39,240 called the crater get sandy they also 916 00:42:45,710 --> 00:42:43,220 started seeing light on the moon 917 00:42:48,050 --> 00:42:45,720 people started drawing berries things 918 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:48,060 that crater Darwin was thought to be 919 00:42:53,950 --> 00:42:50,130 changing all the time like somebody was 920 00:42:58,850 --> 00:42:53,960 digging it out and stuff like that 921 00:43:02,570 --> 00:42:58,860 early on they they that pinpointed 922 00:43:05,900 --> 00:43:02,580 several places on the moon on the face 923 00:43:08,570 --> 00:43:05,910 that we can see and certain craters like 924 00:43:12,890 --> 00:43:08,580 efendi were particularly known for 925 00:43:14,810 --> 00:43:12,900 having this transient lunar like 926 00:43:17,630 --> 00:43:14,820 phenomenon moving across it and people 927 00:43:22,570 --> 00:43:17,640 were constantly seeing these lights and 928 00:43:25,010 --> 00:43:22,580 so even even before who went to the moon 929 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:25,020 astronomers were walking particularly 930 00:43:31,810 --> 00:43:27,930 certain craters and things and in fact 931 00:43:34,430 --> 00:43:31,820 allegedly the Apollo missions targeted 932 00:43:38,210 --> 00:43:34,440 many of the places where we had been 933 00:43:41,810 --> 00:43:38,220 seeing this transient lunar light 934 00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:41,820 phenomenon moving around astronomers and 935 00:43:46,260 --> 00:43:44,160 NASA admit that there is this phenomenon 936 00:43:50,250 --> 00:43:46,270 of light on the 937 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:50,260 now we would maybe speculate that yeah 938 00:43:56,850 --> 00:43:53,410 these these lights are craft moving 939 00:44:00,510 --> 00:43:56,860 around on the moon they're machines if 940 00:44:03,330 --> 00:44:00,520 the moon is occupied as as I suggest in 941 00:44:06,330 --> 00:44:03,340 my book extraterrestrial archaeology the 942 00:44:08,670 --> 00:44:06,340 moon it has space bases on it there's 943 00:44:11,580 --> 00:44:08,680 underground bases when you watch the 944 00:44:14,490 --> 00:44:11,590 movie 2001 one of the things that 945 00:44:16,050 --> 00:44:14,500 happens there is when they do go to the 946 00:44:18,270 --> 00:44:16,060 moon in that movie 947 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:18,280 everything's underground and and which 948 00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:20,050 is exactly how it would be on the moon 949 00:44:27,810 --> 00:44:23,920 so they if there are cities and and 950 00:44:29,550 --> 00:44:27,820 spaces and hangars shall we say on the 951 00:44:31,590 --> 00:44:29,560 moon and stuff there would be 952 00:44:34,290 --> 00:44:31,600 underground but even it's been said that 953 00:44:38,370 --> 00:44:34,300 the Apollo astronauts had seen things 954 00:44:40,500 --> 00:44:38,380 like spaceships lined up on a crater in 955 00:44:43,230 --> 00:44:40,510 theory that there are places there are 956 00:44:46,140 --> 00:44:43,240 cliffs on the moon where there's deep 957 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:46,150 shadow and they can't they can't really 958 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:50,170 find the end of these these giant 959 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:52,570 caverns in a sense there's a crater also 960 00:44:58,590 --> 00:44:55,210 on the moon and George Leonard talked 961 00:45:01,650 --> 00:44:58,600 about this in his book like dawn I also 962 00:45:03,930 --> 00:45:01,660 wrote an asset I had certain numbers of 963 00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:03,940 photos to get and I was able to get 964 00:45:09,630 --> 00:45:06,880 these glossy photos from NASA one is of 965 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:09,640 this one crater that that's a bottomless 966 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:11,410 crater and it seems to have this like 967 00:45:19,650 --> 00:45:15,570 giant like huge structure type ladder 968 00:45:22,020 --> 00:45:19,660 going down in it Leonard believes that 969 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:22,030 and so did Don Wilson of our mysterious 970 00:45:25,250 --> 00:45:24,010 spaceship loan and and I discussed this 971 00:45:27,780 --> 00:45:25,260 in several chapters in my book 972 00:45:30,450 --> 00:45:27,790 extraterrestrial ecology that the moon 973 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:30,460 may be Hollow and that the moon itself 974 00:45:33,930 --> 00:45:32,290 was particularly what Don Wilson was 975 00:45:36,780 --> 00:45:33,940 saying in his books our mysterious 976 00:45:40,650 --> 00:45:36,790 spaceship Luna stuff was that the moon 977 00:45:44,070 --> 00:45:40,660 was some artificial satellite like the 978 00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:44,080 Death Star in in the Star Wars movie it 979 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:47,650 was a construct NASA early on said that 980 00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:50,290 oh the moon isn't really from the earth 981 00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:53,170 it's not corn from the earth at the 982 00:45:57,570 --> 00:45:54,640 Pacific Ocean or something like that 983 00:45:57,890 --> 00:45:57,580 they said that the moon was older than 984 00:46:06,590 --> 00:45:57,900 the 985 00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:06,600 would be mined you had mining drones and 986 00:46:10,970 --> 00:46:08,160 you could go around the moon just 987 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:10,980 scooping up moon dirt and getting super 988 00:46:15,290 --> 00:46:13,410 valuable aerospace type metals - 989 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:15,300 titanium and chromium and stuff like 990 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:18,330 that be happy will go inside the moon 991 00:46:23,150 --> 00:46:20,850 and that it the moon itself is not even 992 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:23,160 from our solar system it's like a giant 993 00:46:27,950 --> 00:46:25,170 Death Star that's been brought into 994 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:27,960 orbit around our planet and it's a 995 00:46:35,180 --> 00:46:31,370 special orbit it's said that by 996 00:46:37,610 --> 00:46:35,190 biologists and whatnot that life on our 997 00:46:40,670 --> 00:46:37,620 planet couldn't exist without the moon 998 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:40,680 because of the moon's tidal forces and 999 00:46:45,740 --> 00:46:42,650 gravitation it creates a certain 1000 00:46:48,890 --> 00:46:45,750 oscillation on the earth moving tides 1001 00:46:50,690 --> 00:46:48,900 and it's a force that like move the 1002 00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:50,700 oceans around and stuff like that and 1003 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:53,280 biologists have said without that life 1004 00:46:57,740 --> 00:46:55,290 as we know it wouldn't have evolved on 1005 00:47:00,050 --> 00:46:57,750 on this planet so here you have the idea 1006 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:00,060 of it not only is the moon occupied and 1007 00:47:04,670 --> 00:47:02,370 some kind of space space and it's the 1008 00:47:08,090 --> 00:47:04,680 ideal space space to observe our planet 1009 00:47:10,730 --> 00:47:08,100 that's for sure and and if whoever could 1010 00:47:13,220 --> 00:47:10,740 control the moon it like song was saying 1011 00:47:15,950 --> 00:47:13,230 earlier about like military missions to 1012 00:47:18,050 --> 00:47:15,960 the moon setting up some military bases 1013 00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:18,060 there yeah you could control our planet 1014 00:47:21,890 --> 00:47:20,250 from the moon so here you here you go 1015 00:47:24,140 --> 00:47:21,900 and then and not only is the moon this 1016 00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:24,150 giant space space but it's actually been 1017 00:47:28,460 --> 00:47:26,160 brought here and put into a special 1018 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:28,470 orbit around our planet and you know 1019 00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:30,210 what many of the other moon in our solar 1020 00:47:36,980 --> 00:47:32,250 system may be like that too they may be 1021 00:47:38,450 --> 00:47:36,990 artificial and have been been put into 1022 00:47:40,610 --> 00:47:38,460 orbit where they are they thought that 1023 00:47:42,740 --> 00:47:40,620 the moons of Mars are like that it well 1024 00:47:44,330 --> 00:47:42,750 David I mean you thrown a quick question 1025 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:44,340 here to amplify that you're suggesting 1026 00:47:49,070 --> 00:47:47,850 them that moons are not formed through a 1027 00:47:51,050 --> 00:47:49,080 natural process 1028 00:47:53,630 --> 00:47:51,060 they must be artificial or is this a 1029 00:47:56,180 --> 00:47:53,640 mixture that maybe we have an artificial 1030 00:47:58,550 --> 00:47:56,190 moon maybe Mars does but Jupiter's 1031 00:48:00,410 --> 00:47:58,560 Saturn with all those moons well right I 1032 00:48:04,190 --> 00:48:00,420 think it would be a mixture from what 1033 00:48:06,020 --> 00:48:04,200 I'm getting and Richard Hoagland and 1034 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:06,030 some of these other sites have some 1035 00:48:10,700 --> 00:48:08,610 really interesting stuff about Ganymede 1036 00:48:13,070 --> 00:48:10,710 and some of these other moons around 1037 00:48:14,810 --> 00:48:13,080 and Saturn and stuff and they're pretty 1038 00:48:16,339 --> 00:48:14,820 interesting they have weird seams on 1039 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:16,349 them some of them also look artificial 1040 00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:18,570 some of them appear to be lit from the 1041 00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:20,930 inside like they're hollow - I mean I've 1042 00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:24,480 it's certainly totally possible as far 1043 00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:26,010 as I'm concerned that some moons are 1044 00:48:32,780 --> 00:48:29,810 natural but at the same time yeah I can 1045 00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:32,790 certainly believe in a sense and I'm 1046 00:48:37,910 --> 00:48:35,280 looking at the evidence that yes some 1047 00:48:40,820 --> 00:48:37,920 moons are artificial and that includes 1048 00:48:42,829 --> 00:48:40,830 our moon I seem to remember you talk 1049 00:48:45,140 --> 00:48:42,839 about the moon possibly being Hollow I 1050 00:48:47,810 --> 00:48:45,150 seem to remember reading a report of 1051 00:48:50,300 --> 00:48:47,820 some sort of seismic instrumentation 1052 00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:50,310 that was on the moon and in a fairly 1053 00:48:56,720 --> 00:48:53,119 sizeable meteorite hit the moon and I 1054 00:48:58,849 --> 00:48:56,730 just can't help but remember the quote 1055 00:49:02,990 --> 00:48:58,859 that the moon rang like a bell for three 1056 00:49:06,260 --> 00:49:03,000 days that happened that happened in lieu 1057 00:49:09,290 --> 00:49:06,270 of one of the Apollo missions up there 1058 00:49:11,930 --> 00:49:09,300 Chris the they have set up seismic 1059 00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:11,940 detectors on the surface of the moon and 1060 00:49:23,420 --> 00:49:16,770 then one of the booster rockets was sent 1061 00:49:23,690 --> 00:49:23,430 on a trajectory to hit the moon into the 1062 00:49:26,030 --> 00:49:23,700 moon 1063 00:49:28,820 --> 00:49:26,040 and and they said that it rang like a 1064 00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:28,830 bell literally for hours so yeah that 1065 00:49:35,150 --> 00:49:32,130 would seem to suggest if not hollow that 1066 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:35,160 there is a very large hollow cavity 1067 00:49:39,260 --> 00:49:37,770 within the moon yeah the moon in my book 1068 00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:39,270 extraterrestrial archaeology I have a 1069 00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:41,760 whole chapter on that including geology 1070 00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:43,920 of the moon and that they found NASA 1071 00:49:50,329 --> 00:49:47,280 said anyway and produce some diagrams 1072 00:49:52,820 --> 00:49:50,339 that yeah the core of the moon was 1073 00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:52,830 off-center they weren't saying that was 1074 00:49:57,710 --> 00:49:55,290 hollow though but but that yeah there 1075 00:49:59,420 --> 00:49:57,720 was anomalies in the interior of the 1076 00:50:01,310 --> 00:49:59,430 moon and then of course this thing about 1077 00:50:06,109 --> 00:50:01,320 the moon vibrating and ringing like a 1078 00:50:07,700 --> 00:50:06,119 bell there's a really curious internet 1079 00:50:11,210 --> 00:50:07,710 video and it's what dong was talking 1080 00:50:13,130 --> 00:50:11,220 about before where yeah you you go to 1081 00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:13,140 NASA and you want to get a bunch of 1082 00:50:17,930 --> 00:50:15,119 photos and and and that's that's 1083 00:50:20,900 --> 00:50:17,940 something that Americans generally 1084 00:50:23,780 --> 00:50:20,910 realized that that NASA is a public 1085 00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:23,790 space program everything as it does it 1086 00:50:27,309 --> 00:50:24,690 should be publicly 1087 00:50:30,290 --> 00:50:27,319 every photo they take is public domain 1088 00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:30,300 citizens have a right to have film 1089 00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:32,490 footage and photos of that you have to 1090 00:50:36,859 --> 00:50:35,250 pay for some kind of duplication or you 1091 00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:36,869 know having some photos sent to you does 1092 00:50:41,030 --> 00:50:38,640 cost a little bit of money I to pay for 1093 00:50:44,780 --> 00:50:41,040 these photos that NASA family but yeah 1094 00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:44,790 they're free to to use what NASA does is 1095 00:50:51,079 --> 00:50:49,130 is for the public but yet they're very 1096 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:51,089 supposedly everything they do is overt 1097 00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:53,010 they telling us you know they're very 1098 00:50:56,780 --> 00:50:54,810 transparent this is what we do 1099 00:50:58,970 --> 00:50:56,790 this is what we're going this is what we 1100 00:51:01,520 --> 00:50:58,980 found but yeah the more you look into 1101 00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:01,530 NASA and you find that no they're very 1102 00:51:07,339 --> 00:51:04,770 secretive and they're not transparent 1103 00:51:09,319 --> 00:51:07,349 they're not actually you know freely 1104 00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:09,329 giving you the information and and 1105 00:51:14,329 --> 00:51:12,089 photos you can kind of pry it out of 1106 00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:14,339 them eventually if you're clever enough 1107 00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:17,040 or persistent you'll get this stuff see 1108 00:51:20,030 --> 00:51:19,290 there's also and a lot of people don't 1109 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:20,040 realize this too 1110 00:51:25,579 --> 00:51:22,650 there is another space program in the 1111 00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:25,589 United States and it's a military one it 1112 00:51:33,260 --> 00:51:30,810 and it's not after the military space 1113 00:51:35,059 --> 00:51:33,270 program that we don't talk about quite 1114 00:51:37,370 --> 00:51:35,069 as much and a lot more coming up 1115 00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:37,380 we have David Hatcher Childress author 1116 00:51:43,370 --> 00:51:40,410 and publisher Adventures unlimited press 1117 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:43,380 is the outfit that he runs we have Don 1118 00:51:47,329 --> 00:51:45,450 Ecker of the dark matters radio show I'm 1119 00:51:52,510 --> 00:51:47,339 Jean Steinberg the co-host is Chris 1120 00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:55,030 [Music] 1121 00:51:59,329 --> 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00:52:26,780 --> 00:52:25,410 cotton wheat fabric engraving can bed 1136 00:52:28,190 --> 00:52:26,790 strips and fibers to protect from 1137 00:52:29,810 --> 00:52:28,200 counterfeit than carding to a private 1138 00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:29,820 bank having it led back at interest 1139 00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:31,440 forcing taxes to surfaced at this 1140 00:52:34,430 --> 00:52:33,119 capitalism was jefferson correct when 1141 00:52:35,930 --> 00:52:34,440 stating a central bank issuing the 1142 00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:35,940 public currency is a greater menace to 1143 00:52:38,180 --> 00:52:36,960 the liberties of the people than a 1144 00:52:39,470 --> 00:52:38,190 standing army today understand I'm 1145 00:52:41,150 --> 00:52:39,480 placing a free silver dollar in a book 1146 00:52:42,740 --> 00:52:41,160 that explains our monetary system call 1147 00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:42,750 for your copy eight hundred six eight 1148 00:52:47,180 --> 00:52:44,400 six two two three seven it's time to 1149 00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:47,190 understand the system call 866 to 237 1150 00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:50,130 that's 800 686 to 237 1151 00:53:05,740 --> 00:53:00,890 welcome back to the para cast the gold 1152 00:53:11,780 --> 00:53:05,750 standard of paranormal radio and now 1153 00:53:15,070 --> 00:53:11,790 here's Jane Steinberg as we continue 1154 00:53:18,260 --> 00:53:15,080 with our exploration of lunar anomalies 1155 00:53:20,210 --> 00:53:18,270 with David Hatcher Childress and Don 1156 00:53:22,580 --> 00:53:20,220 Ecker with Gene and Kris and the para 1157 00:53:25,550 --> 00:53:22,590 cast now Don let me ask you a question 1158 00:53:27,859 --> 00:53:25,560 here in the brothers there are a couple 1159 00:53:30,050 --> 00:53:27,869 of things before you ask me a question I 1160 00:53:33,500 --> 00:53:30,060 want to point out okay sure 1161 00:53:37,150 --> 00:53:33,510 number one earlier Chris had mentioned a 1162 00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:37,160 list of lunar events that I had placed 1163 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:41,250 upon the para cast basically what this 1164 00:53:49,150 --> 00:53:44,970 was and what it was taken from was a 1165 00:53:51,410 --> 00:53:49,160 NASA report that I found early in my 1166 00:53:55,310 --> 00:53:51,420 investigations going back to the early 1167 00:54:01,130 --> 00:53:55,320 90s from a document called the NASA 1168 00:54:04,430 --> 00:54:01,140 technical report our - 277 now what this 1169 00:54:07,820 --> 00:54:04,440 was was a chronological catalog of 1170 00:54:11,300 --> 00:54:07,830 reported lunar events prepared for NASA 1171 00:54:13,730 --> 00:54:11,310 and published in 1968 which was 1172 00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:13,740 obviously a year before the first Apollo 1173 00:54:19,130 --> 00:54:16,770 landing now at that time during that 1174 00:54:21,770 --> 00:54:19,140 period of time there were a lot of 1175 00:54:24,230 --> 00:54:21,780 reports in the popular press about 1176 00:54:27,170 --> 00:54:24,240 anomalous activity that was being 1177 00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:27,180 observed on the moon now you guys may 1178 00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:30,090 remember this in Jim I know you will one 1179 00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:32,730 of the things that was extremely 1180 00:54:39,530 --> 00:54:35,970 mysterious that was often mentioned in 1181 00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:39,540 the press and in the media was something 1182 00:54:46,910 --> 00:54:43,650 called lunar domes what they basically 1183 00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:46,920 were were in fact just what they sound 1184 00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:50,880 like a dome that would pop up sometimes 1185 00:54:57,050 --> 00:54:54,810 in clusters multiple clusters of these 1186 00:54:59,660 --> 00:54:57,060 things on the surface of the Moon that 1187 00:55:02,440 --> 00:54:59,670 could be observed by astronomers through 1188 00:55:06,110 --> 00:55:02,450 telescopes and they would be in a 1189 00:55:09,510 --> 00:55:06,120 geographical location for a while then 1190 00:55:12,630 --> 00:55:09,520 mysteriously disappear and pop up 1191 00:55:16,110 --> 00:55:12,640 somewhere else now this happened on 1192 00:55:18,750 --> 00:55:16,120 multiple occasions and the fact that 1193 00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:18,760 people had been observing phenomena on 1194 00:55:24,870 --> 00:55:22,810 the moon cos NASA to basically get 1195 00:55:28,260 --> 00:55:24,880 together and decide they wanted to have 1196 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:28,270 this report conducted for them now the 1197 00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:30,970 people that put this together where 1198 00:55:36,030 --> 00:55:33,850 several people one of them was a woman 1199 00:55:38,730 --> 00:55:36,040 by the name of Barbara Middle Hurst from 1200 00:55:40,740 --> 00:55:38,740 the University of Arizona another guy by 1201 00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:40,750 the name of Jay Lee burly from Goddard 1202 00:55:46,620 --> 00:55:43,330 Speight Space Flight Center the 1203 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:46,630 world-famous British astronomer Patrick 1204 00:55:51,660 --> 00:55:49,930 Moore and a woman by the name of Barbara 1205 00:55:54,750 --> 00:55:51,670 wealth er from the Smithsonian 1206 00:55:59,330 --> 00:55:54,760 Astrophysical Observatory now what they 1207 00:56:02,970 --> 00:55:59,340 did were go back ultimately through 400 1208 00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:02,980 years of lunar observations by 1209 00:56:10,350 --> 00:56:06,610 world-class astronomers going literally 1210 00:56:12,930 --> 00:56:10,360 back to the year of 1540 and coming 1211 00:56:16,830 --> 00:56:12,940 forward now of course they did not 1212 00:56:19,350 --> 00:56:16,840 include every event of lunar phenomena 1213 00:56:21,780 --> 00:56:19,360 that have been observed over all those 1214 00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:21,790 centuries but they did pick up a hell of 1215 00:56:26,510 --> 00:56:24,250 a lot of them and this thing was 1216 00:56:30,150 --> 00:56:26,520 published as a matter of fact the last 1217 00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:30,160 sighting that was studied in here went 1218 00:56:38,850 --> 00:56:35,890 to the year 1967 so during that period 1219 00:56:41,150 --> 00:56:38,860 of time literally hundreds and hundreds 1220 00:56:43,980 --> 00:56:41,160 and hundreds of sightings of strange 1221 00:56:46,170 --> 00:56:43,990 phenomena reported all over the front of 1222 00:56:50,030 --> 00:56:46,180 the Moon or the the side of the Moon 1223 00:56:53,660 --> 00:56:50,040 that we can usually always see also 1224 00:56:57,900 --> 00:56:53,670 included in there were not just all the 1225 00:57:01,830 --> 00:56:57,910 reported events but also one section 1226 00:57:05,460 --> 00:57:01,840 that they refer to as anomalous events 1227 00:57:08,430 --> 00:57:05,470 now of course they're all anomalous but 1228 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:08,440 these events were they titled it 1229 00:57:15,090 --> 00:57:12,010 dubious reports but still once again 1230 00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:15,100 that's the one thing the other thing was 1231 00:57:23,890 --> 00:57:19,760 that the Soviets at that time also were 1232 00:57:27,170 --> 00:57:23,900 conducting a tremendous amount of lunar 1233 00:57:30,740 --> 00:57:27,180 observation and some of their probes 1234 00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:30,750 they sent to the far side of the moon a 1235 00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:34,319 place that nobody in fact had any plans 1236 00:57:39,319 --> 00:57:37,200 at that time to land on but they wanted 1237 00:57:43,190 --> 00:57:39,329 to find out what was happening back 1238 00:57:45,890 --> 00:57:43,200 there which would seem to imply at least 1239 00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:45,900 as far as I'm concerned that they very 1240 00:57:51,470 --> 00:57:48,450 well suspected that something in fact 1241 00:57:54,980 --> 00:57:51,480 may be going on now one more thing that 1242 00:57:58,010 --> 00:57:54,990 I want to mention is that even after we 1243 00:57:58,490 --> 00:57:58,020 ultimately beat the Russians going up 1244 00:58:01,819 --> 00:57:58,500 there 1245 00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:01,829 I find that passingly strange because in 1246 00:58:06,260 --> 00:58:04,290 just about every other endeavour they 1247 00:58:08,930 --> 00:58:06,270 would make sure if for no other reason 1248 00:58:10,460 --> 00:58:08,940 the national pride that they would 1249 00:58:14,359 --> 00:58:10,470 duplicate the feat 1250 00:58:17,079 --> 00:58:14,369 the Soviets never in fact sent at least 1251 00:58:20,870 --> 00:58:17,089 publicly that we know about a manned 1252 00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:20,880 cosmonaut lunar mission up there even 1253 00:58:25,309 --> 00:58:22,770 though they had the technology the 1254 00:58:27,849 --> 00:58:25,319 equipment and the people trained that 1255 00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:27,859 was something that I always found also 1256 00:58:33,740 --> 00:58:31,290 just tremendously odd you know Don there 1257 00:58:36,799 --> 00:58:33,750 was actually a Soviet mission going to 1258 00:58:38,359 --> 00:58:36,809 the moon at the same time as Apollo 11 1259 00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:38,369 actually a lot of people don't know that 1260 00:58:45,260 --> 00:58:40,890 but but yeah this is what Don is saying 1261 00:58:47,450 --> 00:58:45,270 I mean it is interesting in that and 1262 00:58:51,319 --> 00:58:47,460 it's what I was kind of saying before we 1263 00:58:53,470 --> 00:58:51,329 hailed the the overt space program at 1264 00:58:56,539 --> 00:58:53,480 NASA and their missions and what we see 1265 00:58:59,539 --> 00:58:56,549 but apparently there are what we would 1266 00:59:02,180 --> 00:58:59,549 call secret space missions and the 1267 00:59:03,890 --> 00:59:02,190 Russians have probably had secret space 1268 00:59:06,289 --> 00:59:03,900 missions and maybe even gone to the moon 1269 00:59:08,150 --> 00:59:06,299 we don't know I mean they claim they 1270 00:59:10,130 --> 00:59:08,160 haven't but as Don said yeah it seems a 1271 00:59:11,660 --> 00:59:10,140 little unusual but they didn't really do 1272 00:59:14,450 --> 00:59:11,670 it because they had the technology that 1273 00:59:20,270 --> 00:59:14,460 could have done it how would you hide 1274 00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:20,280 that David I mean there are space 1275 00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:23,040 observing nations all across the globe 1276 00:59:30,410 --> 00:59:26,970 if the Soviets had sent a rocket up 1277 00:59:32,930 --> 00:59:30,420 there with live cosmonauts onboard I I 1278 00:59:35,359 --> 00:59:32,940 really think it would be tough 1279 00:59:38,050 --> 00:59:35,369 to hide something like that you know I 1280 00:59:41,450 --> 00:59:38,060 don't think it would be and it's what's 1281 00:59:43,150 --> 00:59:41,460 what's going on in the moon is it all 1282 00:59:46,010 --> 00:59:43,160 kinds of stuff could be going on there 1283 00:59:47,660 --> 00:59:46,020 that you know we're unaware of however 1284 00:59:49,460 --> 00:59:47,670 along those lines what you're saying 1285 00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:49,470 there's not mean I'll have to say this 1286 00:59:54,589 --> 00:59:52,890 that's probably what we've some of the 1287 00:59:58,430 --> 00:59:54,599 things we've discovered or the Russians 1288 01:00:00,680 --> 00:59:58,440 discovered that we allegedly keep 1289 01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:00,690 secrets I would say such as the moons 1290 01:00:05,690 --> 01:00:02,730 occupied or something like that these 1291 01:00:08,650 --> 01:00:05,700 other nations are aware of that too and 1292 01:00:12,650 --> 01:00:08,660 in fact it's very exciting to me that 1293 01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:12,660 China and India and and Japan they're 1294 01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:13,890 gonna go to the moon they're gonna send 1295 01:00:18,290 --> 01:00:16,079 their own space probes up there and I 1296 01:00:22,730 --> 01:00:18,300 think that what they find well they may 1297 01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:22,740 keep it secret too however for various 1298 01:00:27,230 --> 01:00:24,810 reasons they may actually come clean 1299 01:00:30,319 --> 01:00:27,240 they may we may see new photos of the 1300 01:00:33,620 --> 01:00:30,329 moon and in fact part of this has to do 1301 01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:33,630 a woman find just water on the moon for 1302 01:00:37,490 --> 01:00:35,730 quite a while NASA said oh there's no 1303 01:00:40,130 --> 01:00:37,500 water on the moon at this dry desert 1304 01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:40,140 then suddenly in the late 90s they 1305 01:00:44,630 --> 01:00:42,089 announced oh yeah there's there's water 1306 01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:44,640 on the moon and then they were quiet 1307 01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:47,010 about it again and then subtly India 1308 01:00:51,170 --> 01:00:49,170 stamped out space probe to the moon and 1309 01:00:53,930 --> 01:00:51,180 they said oh we've discovered water on 1310 01:00:54,589 --> 01:00:53,940 the moon and then as I said oh yeah yeah 1311 01:00:56,599 --> 01:00:54,599 right 1312 01:01:00,349 --> 01:00:56,609 we discovered that water on the moon too 1313 01:01:02,569 --> 01:01:00,359 some years ago as well so it's you you 1314 01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:02,579 can't be sure what they're doing there 1315 01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:05,010 are places on the planet even in our 1316 01:01:10,970 --> 01:01:07,440 country where there could be secret 1317 01:01:14,870 --> 01:01:10,980 space bases want animal bait could be 1318 01:01:18,530 --> 01:01:14,880 one diego garcia even antarctica could 1319 01:01:20,809 --> 01:01:18,540 be being used to secret space bases and 1320 01:01:24,950 --> 01:01:20,819 stuff like that the military itself in 1321 01:01:27,050 --> 01:01:24,960 our country they use Vandenberg Air 1322 01:01:28,490 --> 01:01:27,060 Force Base in California to launch 1323 01:01:32,210 --> 01:01:28,500 rockets and things like that 1324 01:01:36,260 --> 01:01:32,220 there's a guy who did Britain who's 1325 01:01:39,079 --> 01:01:36,270 quite famous in the UK and what happened 1326 01:01:42,020 --> 01:01:39,089 was he hacked into the Pentagon 1327 01:01:44,540 --> 01:01:42,030 computers and his name is Gary McKinnon 1328 01:01:46,730 --> 01:01:44,550 and I've when I'm in England he's 1329 01:01:48,770 --> 01:01:46,740 disguised in the newspapers all the time 1330 01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:48,780 because he hacked into the Pentagon 1331 01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:50,880 computers he was trying to find UFO 1332 01:01:54,829 --> 01:01:53,130 information and the Pentagon they 1333 01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:54,839 realized that he was the one doing this 1334 01:01:59,390 --> 01:01:56,490 and they're trying to have him 1335 01:02:01,640 --> 01:01:59,400 extradited from the UK to the United 1336 01:02:03,500 --> 01:02:01,650 States so he can go to a military court 1337 01:02:05,690 --> 01:02:03,510 and be sentenced to prison for the rest 1338 01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:05,700 of his life David you have to break in a 1339 01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:07,290 moment here but I want to ask you very 1340 01:02:09,650 --> 01:02:08,880 quickly and maybe we'll pursue this in 1341 01:02:11,420 --> 01:02:09,660 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01:07:08,619 or question about the para cast send it 1454 01:07:16,609 --> 01:07:12,279 to news at the para cast com 1455 01:07:19,259 --> 01:07:16,619 that's news at the para cast dot-com and 1456 01:07:22,410 --> 01:07:19,269 if you'd like to catch up on past 1457 01:07:25,470 --> 01:07:22,420 episodes we have hundreds of shows for 1458 01:07:31,130 --> 01:07:25,480 you to download direct from the para 1459 01:07:35,390 --> 01:07:31,140 cast com that's the para cast dot-com or 1460 01:07:38,190 --> 01:07:35,400 check us out at iTunes 1461 01:07:40,170 --> 01:07:38,200 we have David Hatcher childress and Don 1462 01:07:43,980 --> 01:07:40,180 Ecker with gene and Chris on the para 1463 01:07:46,829 --> 01:07:43,990 cast we were talking about this man from 1464 01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:46,839 Great Britain who hacked the computers 1465 01:07:52,380 --> 01:07:49,930 in the computers actually man on 1466 01:07:55,499 --> 01:07:52,390 computers and with a dial-up modem I 1467 01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:55,509 love that but here's what people asked 1468 01:07:58,440 --> 01:07:56,650 him what did he find 1469 01:08:01,529 --> 01:07:58,450 he was trying to find UFO information 1470 01:08:03,569 --> 01:08:01,539 the main thing that he has ever said 1471 01:08:08,099 --> 01:08:03,579 that he discovered on the Pentagon 1472 01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:08,109 computers was a list of Navy officers 1473 01:08:13,979 --> 01:08:11,170 who were off the planet and there was a 1474 01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:13,989 hundred officers who were in this list 1475 01:08:18,780 --> 01:08:15,970 this is what he said and they're not on 1476 01:08:21,030 --> 01:08:18,790 planet Earth they're somewhere in space 1477 01:08:24,599 --> 01:08:21,040 they're either in a space station or 1478 01:08:26,519 --> 01:08:24,609 they're in some vehicle orbiting the 1479 01:08:28,379 --> 01:08:26,529 Earth or they're on the moon or 1480 01:08:31,229 --> 01:08:28,389 something like that that's what he 1481 01:08:32,970 --> 01:08:31,239 alleged and this is what and the 1482 01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:32,980 Pentagon is yeah they want him to go to 1483 01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:34,690 prison for the rest of his life or for 1484 01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:36,730 packing of their computers he's still 1485 01:08:41,099 --> 01:08:39,130 living with his mom and you know you 1486 01:08:42,870 --> 01:08:41,109 know some rural England or something 1487 01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:42,880 and this has been going on for years but 1488 01:08:48,570 --> 01:08:46,810 anyway so when he came up with was what 1489 01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:48,580 we're talking about that there's a 1490 01:08:55,559 --> 01:08:51,370 secret space program and they have 1491 01:08:58,800 --> 01:08:55,569 crafts they have officers they launch 1492 01:09:02,280 --> 01:08:58,810 vehicles they want satellites they may 1493 01:09:04,050 --> 01:09:02,290 have special orbiting vehicles 1494 01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:04,060 that they don't talk about they're 1495 01:09:08,940 --> 01:09:06,970 occupied by Navy officers and we don't 1496 01:09:10,530 --> 01:09:08,950 know this is the secret space program 1497 01:09:12,329 --> 01:09:10,540 the military does all kinds of stuff 1498 01:09:14,820 --> 01:09:12,339 like that they have all kinds of black 1499 01:09:16,650 --> 01:09:14,830 programs they have like at area 51 1500 01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:16,660 they're making special kind of crafts 1501 01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:18,130 and in fact that's one of the problems 1502 01:09:21,150 --> 01:09:20,530 that people have often said like bill 1503 01:09:24,090 --> 01:09:21,160 kaysing 1504 01:09:26,460 --> 01:09:24,100 about the Apollo missions was he worked 1505 01:09:28,559 --> 01:09:26,470 for Rocketdyne he was a rocket scientist 1506 01:09:30,590 --> 01:09:28,569 and he you know he maintained in his 1507 01:09:33,450 --> 01:09:30,600 books and the videos and whatnot that 1508 01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:33,460 Apollo missions just didn't happen the 1509 01:09:39,059 --> 01:09:37,210 way they said you looking for problems 1510 01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:39,069 in their whole scenario of like yeah 1511 01:09:43,050 --> 01:09:40,690 we're gonna we're gonna go to the moon 1512 01:09:45,660 --> 01:09:43,060 where we're gonna go past the Van Allen 1513 01:09:47,460 --> 01:09:45,670 belt we're gonna land a rocket on the 1514 01:09:49,230 --> 01:09:47,470 moon then we're gonna take off again the 1515 01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:49,240 okay saying you know made it a point 1516 01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:50,890 that yeah there's something wrong here 1517 01:09:54,740 --> 01:09:53,170 with what they're saying other people 1518 01:09:56,670 --> 01:09:54,750 too a pointed out that when the 1519 01:09:58,790 --> 01:09:56,680 astronauts were on the moon in the 1520 01:10:01,170 --> 01:09:58,800 Apollo missions they have a Hasselblad 1521 01:10:02,730 --> 01:10:01,180 camera they only took about a hundred 1522 01:10:05,370 --> 01:10:02,740 photos with their Hasselblad they 1523 01:10:07,290 --> 01:10:05,380 couldn't even look through the lens I 1524 01:10:09,900 --> 01:10:07,300 mean it was just a camera on their chest 1525 01:10:11,700 --> 01:10:09,910 they went around just clicking they 1526 01:10:13,770 --> 01:10:11,710 couldn't even look at a light meter or 1527 01:10:16,410 --> 01:10:13,780 anything like that and yet they took 1528 01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:16,420 basically a hundred perfect photos on 1529 01:10:21,180 --> 01:10:18,250 the moon and this is what people have 1530 01:10:24,150 --> 01:10:21,190 often criticized NASA with that is that 1531 01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:24,160 the photos are too good they didn't take 1532 01:10:27,150 --> 01:10:26,050 any bad photos on the moon how you know 1533 01:10:29,550 --> 01:10:27,160 how could they do that 1534 01:10:31,890 --> 01:10:29,560 and that's why let me ask you David you 1535 01:10:35,940 --> 01:10:31,900 just raised another spectra here okay so 1536 01:10:37,290 --> 01:10:35,950 if we didn't take them the way they were 1537 01:10:38,610 --> 01:10:37,300 presented because they're wearing the 1538 01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:38,620 spacesuits it's hard to use a 1539 01:10:43,230 --> 01:10:41,170 traditional camera how were they taken 1540 01:10:46,410 --> 01:10:43,240 to someone else take them well what 1541 01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:46,420 people like bill kaysing or the British 1542 01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:48,010 authors who wrote a book called dark 1543 01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:50,050 moon and we sell that on our website 1544 01:10:54,930 --> 01:10:52,210 what they mean when they're maintaining 1545 01:10:58,800 --> 01:10:54,940 their is that the much of the photos 1546 01:11:00,990 --> 01:10:58,810 were pre shot they were taken before 1547 01:11:03,690 --> 01:11:01,000 they went to the moon and that the 1548 01:11:05,310 --> 01:11:03,700 astronauts were basically practicing in 1549 01:11:07,770 --> 01:11:05,320 a sense and in some ways the astronauts 1550 01:11:10,530 --> 01:11:07,780 wouldn't have necessarily even know that 1551 01:11:12,570 --> 01:11:10,540 the photos were being faked they've 1552 01:11:14,350 --> 01:11:12,580 shown and in fact it was in the popular 1553 01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:14,360 science magazines 1554 01:11:20,020 --> 01:11:16,010 back in the eighties that the Soviets 1555 01:11:21,550 --> 01:11:20,030 had faked certain space photos they want 1556 01:11:22,180 --> 01:11:21,560 us proved it you know in the magazine as 1557 01:11:24,310 --> 01:11:22,190 best they could 1558 01:11:27,370 --> 01:11:24,320 so here was the allegation that yes 1559 01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:27,380 certain Soviet space photos were were 1560 01:11:32,170 --> 01:11:30,170 faked but we could eat the Americans you 1561 01:11:34,090 --> 01:11:32,180 know be doing that too it doesn't mean 1562 01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:34,100 we didn't go to the moon that day take 1563 01:11:38,740 --> 01:11:36,770 those photos it we may well have gone to 1564 01:11:42,070 --> 01:11:38,750 the moon and and they have their other 1565 01:11:44,830 --> 01:11:42,080 photos but those photos in in that 1566 01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:44,840 theory they're done in Nevada or 1567 01:11:50,380 --> 01:11:47,090 something like that and in fact if you 1568 01:11:53,770 --> 01:11:50,390 watch the James Bond movie diamonds are 1569 01:11:55,950 --> 01:11:53,780 forever that movie is largely about area 1570 01:11:59,560 --> 01:11:55,960 51 and in that movie there's a scene 1571 01:12:02,790 --> 01:11:59,570 where at area 51 they're thinking the 1572 01:12:05,140 --> 01:12:02,800 missions James Bond gets into area 51 1573 01:12:07,300 --> 01:12:05,150 outside of Las Vegas that's what those 1574 01:12:09,490 --> 01:12:07,310 movies all about it's Sean Connery is 1575 01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:09,500 James Bond suddenly they realize he's in 1576 01:12:14,020 --> 01:12:12,530 this facility he's gotten in and protect 1577 01:12:15,700 --> 01:12:14,030 there's all these Germans working in 1578 01:12:17,350 --> 01:12:15,710 there with their German accents and 1579 01:12:19,510 --> 01:12:17,360 stuff like that they suddenly realized 1580 01:12:20,020 --> 01:12:19,520 Oh James Bond is in here they sound the 1581 01:12:22,270 --> 01:12:20,030 alarm 1582 01:12:24,940 --> 01:12:22,280 James Bond a snake escape he suddenly 1583 01:12:27,250 --> 01:12:24,950 walks through a door and he's on the 1584 01:12:28,930 --> 01:12:27,260 move and they're filming it they're 1585 01:12:34,150 --> 01:12:28,940 faking the moon missions it's a whole 1586 01:12:35,440 --> 01:12:34,160 moon set lunar Rovers right there one of 1587 01:12:37,300 --> 01:12:35,450 the Apollo astronauts is lumbering 1588 01:12:39,130 --> 01:12:37,310 around in his spaceship picking up moon 1589 01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:39,140 locks and they're faking the moon 1590 01:12:43,390 --> 01:12:40,970 missions and then but James Bond is 1591 01:12:44,950 --> 01:12:43,400 walking on the moon and then stays there 1592 01:12:47,590 --> 01:12:44,960 like hey who's that guy get him and then 1593 01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:47,600 he jumps into the lunar rover oh they're 1594 01:12:51,430 --> 01:12:49,610 on there takes that crashes to the sad 1595 01:12:53,470 --> 01:12:51,440 another chase that in the desert I mean 1596 01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:53,480 so even though that's a that's a 1597 01:12:58,750 --> 01:12:56,330 fictional film but and that all happens 1598 01:13:01,270 --> 01:12:58,760 pretty fast but what they're and that's 1599 01:13:04,630 --> 01:13:01,280 a 1972 movie by the way so they're 1600 01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:04,640 saying essentially yeah you know don't 1601 01:13:09,070 --> 01:13:06,770 believe everything that Nancy tells you 1602 01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:09,080 they're saying they think that it's been 1603 01:13:17,380 --> 01:13:13,370 alleged that Stanley Kubrick also who 1604 01:13:19,180 --> 01:13:17,390 did 2001 a Space Odyssey that part of 1605 01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:19,190 that was that he also worked for NASA 1606 01:13:26,740 --> 01:13:22,010 and at one of his jobs was helping them 1607 01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:26,750 create fake moon footage now again I'm 1608 01:13:30,490 --> 01:13:28,130 not saying we didn't go to the moon 1609 01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:30,500 the authors like dark moon though the 1610 01:13:35,020 --> 01:13:32,330 British officer David Percy and Mary 1611 01:13:37,510 --> 01:13:35,030 Bennett they also go to great lengths in 1612 01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:37,520 their book to say look what do you think 1613 01:13:43,419 --> 01:13:39,770 that the Americans have been to the moon 1614 01:13:46,090 --> 01:13:43,429 but these are photos of it and that also 1615 01:13:49,590 --> 01:13:46,100 comes to the thing of how you would go 1616 01:13:52,899 --> 01:13:49,600 to the moon when you listen to NASA and 1617 01:13:54,820 --> 01:13:52,909 watch CNN and all their scientists you 1618 01:13:57,879 --> 01:13:54,830 think that the only way to go in outer 1619 01:14:00,189 --> 01:13:57,889 space is to light a giant firecracker 1620 01:14:03,100 --> 01:14:00,199 under your butt and go into space like 1621 01:14:04,110 --> 01:14:03,110 Wiley coyote or something and certain 1622 01:14:06,490 --> 01:14:04,120 people would say yeah and of course 1623 01:14:09,100 --> 01:14:06,500 aliens have to come here in Rockets too 1624 01:14:11,709 --> 01:14:09,110 right you know anyone who's in the UFO 1625 01:14:13,990 --> 01:14:11,719 field would know that so part of the 1626 01:14:16,419 --> 01:14:14,000 enigma of UFOs whether they're flying 1627 01:14:19,180 --> 01:14:16,429 discs or cigar-shaped craft or flying 1628 01:14:21,850 --> 01:14:19,190 triangles or flying diamonds or whatever 1629 01:14:25,270 --> 01:14:21,860 they are they're not rockets they're not 1630 01:14:27,310 --> 01:14:25,280 jet there's some kind of electric craft 1631 01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:27,320 I mean they have anti-gravity or 1632 01:14:33,250 --> 01:14:30,530 whatever that's propelling them and it's 1633 01:14:34,959 --> 01:14:33,260 quite possible that NASA despite the 1634 01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:34,969 fact that they show us rockets and stuff 1635 01:14:39,580 --> 01:14:37,130 all the time that they have crap like 1636 01:14:41,590 --> 01:14:39,590 that too and they keep it secret if they 1637 01:14:43,629 --> 01:14:41,600 get half craft like that you would think 1638 01:14:46,270 --> 01:14:43,639 they could take that path to the moon 1639 01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:46,280 and back and don't they don't even have 1640 01:14:51,399 --> 01:14:49,250 to splashdown or launch a rocket I mean 1641 01:14:53,229 --> 01:14:51,409 it's all electric what would be the 1642 01:14:55,180 --> 01:14:53,239 purpose David of keeping that technology 1643 01:14:57,129 --> 01:14:55,190 secret why would they go to such great 1644 01:14:59,260 --> 01:14:57,139 lengths and expense to use the 1645 01:15:01,750 --> 01:14:59,270 conventional you know liquid fuel 1646 01:15:04,810 --> 01:15:01,760 rockets and then solid propellant 1647 01:15:06,610 --> 01:15:04,820 rockets as opposed to utilizing such you 1648 01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:06,620 know amazing technology why would they 1649 01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:10,010 do that well it's a military secret much 1650 01:15:14,919 --> 01:15:12,170 of what much of the technology we have 1651 01:15:17,890 --> 01:15:14,929 today particularly aerospace technology 1652 01:15:21,930 --> 01:15:17,900 comes from the military and it's 1653 01:15:24,370 --> 01:15:21,940 developed during Wars or after wards 1654 01:15:28,030 --> 01:15:24,380 it's all part of the military's budget 1655 01:15:29,590 --> 01:15:28,040 these things are secret if it's kind of 1656 01:15:32,379 --> 01:15:29,600 a technology that they want to keep a 1657 01:15:34,930 --> 01:15:32,389 secret in World War two there were not 1658 01:15:37,570 --> 01:15:34,940 helicopters that helicopters came out at 1659 01:15:38,750 --> 01:15:37,580 the you know in the early fifties I'll 1660 01:15:41,150 --> 01:15:38,760 tell you what we can do 1661 01:15:43,340 --> 01:15:41,160 copters black and otherwise and our 1662 01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:43,350 inventions in our next segment we have 1663 01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:46,290 David Hatcher Childress and Don Ecker 1664 01:15:58,250 --> 01:15:55,890 with Gene and Chris on the para cast ray 1665 01:16:00,500 --> 01:15:58,260 Perkins a reclusive veteran burned out 1666 01:16:02,500 --> 01:16:00,510 from the Gulf War lives tortured by 1667 01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:02,510 relentless perplexing nightmares 1668 01:16:06,500 --> 01:16:04,770 nightmares of a horrific battle in deep 1669 01:16:08,570 --> 01:16:06,510 space and of a mysterious woman 1670 01:16:11,390 --> 01:16:08,580 suffering an agony for her devastated 1671 01:16:14,980 --> 01:16:11,400 world a woman not yet born calling 1672 01:16:17,420 --> 01:16:14,990 across centuries to him then a 1673 01:16:20,660 --> 01:16:17,430 coincidence leads him to his 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supercharge your 1770 01:19:54,569 --> 01:19:50,920 health at Alka vision calm are you tired 1771 01:19:56,340 --> 01:19:54,579 of searching for great talk radio more 1772 01:20:02,820 --> 01:19:56,350 important search 1773 01:20:05,070 --> 01:20:02,830 we are the gcn radio network hello this 1774 01:20:07,860 --> 01:20:05,080 is John burrows one of the witnesses to 1775 01:20:09,990 --> 01:20:07,870 the Rendlesham UFO incident you're 1776 01:20:15,569 --> 01:20:10,000 listening to the podcast the gold 1777 01:20:20,129 --> 01:20:17,760 this week the allotment of guests to 1778 01:20:23,609 --> 01:20:20,139 cover lunar mysteries and lots lots more 1779 01:20:25,470 --> 01:20:23,619 secret inventions presence of ET what's 1780 01:20:27,930 --> 01:20:25,480 going on the moon is there a secret 1781 01:20:30,569 --> 01:20:27,940 project sending craft back and forth 1782 01:20:32,700 --> 01:20:30,579 with david hatchery childress author and 1783 01:20:35,459 --> 01:20:32,710 publisher of course he hasn't ventures 1784 01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:35,469 unlimited press and Don Ecker of the doc 1785 01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:37,449 matters a radio show and also he 1786 01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:39,250 participates in the power cast forums 1787 01:20:45,149 --> 01:20:42,090 with gene and Chris David you were 1788 01:20:47,220 --> 01:20:45,159 discussing the invention of helicopters 1789 01:20:49,049 --> 01:20:47,230 in the early 50s houses relate to 1790 01:20:49,939 --> 01:20:49,059 everything during World War two I mean 1791 01:20:51,660 --> 01:20:49,949 they were starting to develop 1792 01:20:55,049 --> 01:20:51,670 helicopters and they kept it a secret 1793 01:20:56,399 --> 01:20:55,059 and it and if you watch the movie the 1794 01:20:59,370 --> 01:20:56,409 Clint Eastwood Richard Burton movie 1795 01:21:01,500 --> 01:20:59,380 where we're equals dare at which where 1796 01:21:02,129 --> 01:21:01,510 they go to this Nazi compound during 1797 01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:02,139 World War two 1798 01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:04,449 in that movie there's a helicopter and 1799 01:21:09,810 --> 01:21:07,449 it's their secret weapon of the of the 1800 01:21:11,910 --> 01:21:09,820 Nazis and that's one of the scenes and 1801 01:21:13,770 --> 01:21:11,920 in that movie now after World War two 1802 01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:13,780 and now we all know what a helicopter is 1803 01:21:16,799 --> 01:21:15,010 we see them all the time even though 1804 01:21:18,959 --> 01:21:16,809 certain helicopter technology is a 1805 01:21:21,660 --> 01:21:18,969 secret it's a military secret this whole 1806 01:21:23,850 --> 01:21:21,670 thing in Pakistan now just in the news 1807 01:21:27,629 --> 01:21:23,860 recently of how the Pakistani military 1808 01:21:29,910 --> 01:21:27,639 allowed Chinese military scientists and 1809 01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:29,920 stuff like that to look at the tail of 1810 01:21:34,709 --> 01:21:32,170 this helicopter that they blew up in 1811 01:21:36,660 --> 01:21:34,719 Pakistan when they raided bin Laden's 1812 01:21:38,609 --> 01:21:36,670 compound and all that and that's a big 1813 01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:38,619 deal this special stealth technology 1814 01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:40,570 that has to do with that helicopter and 1815 01:21:44,580 --> 01:21:42,730 that's it the helicopters okay the 1816 01:21:47,189 --> 01:21:44,590 reason that they would have keep a lot 1817 01:21:49,919 --> 01:21:47,199 of this technology secret is it's very 1818 01:21:52,109 --> 01:21:49,929 one is the military keeps secrets 1819 01:21:55,109 --> 01:21:52,119 particularly technology they don't want 1820 01:21:56,879 --> 01:21:55,119 other countries and even the the 1821 01:21:58,290 --> 01:21:56,889 American public to know all the 1822 01:22:00,359 --> 01:21:58,300 technology they have all the 1823 01:22:02,189 --> 01:22:00,369 capabilities they have even what kind of 1824 01:22:05,339 --> 01:22:02,199 spacecraft shall we say that they might 1825 01:22:06,419 --> 01:22:05,349 have technology to use it it's a whole 1826 01:22:07,410 --> 01:22:06,429 game that they're playing and they're 1827 01:22:09,870 --> 01:22:07,420 playing around the whole world 1828 01:22:14,010 --> 01:22:09,880 plus the are the whole world's economy 1829 01:22:17,189 --> 01:22:14,020 right now is based on oil oil and all 1830 01:22:19,260 --> 01:22:17,199 the derivatives of oil I mean that is 1831 01:22:22,649 --> 01:22:19,270 what the world economy is they keep 1832 01:22:26,430 --> 01:22:22,659 talking about Texas now Texas is some 1833 01:22:28,260 --> 01:22:26,440 kind of miracle state where people have 1834 01:22:29,830 --> 01:22:28,270 jobs and the economy is going well in 1835 01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:29,840 Texas 1836 01:22:33,430 --> 01:22:31,489 better than any other state it's all 1837 01:22:35,379 --> 01:22:33,440 because of the oil companies there David 1838 01:22:37,299 --> 01:22:35,389 just want to mention one thing here the 1839 01:22:39,549 --> 01:22:37,309 survey show that a lot of those new jobs 1840 01:22:41,319 --> 01:22:39,559 in Texas this is worse because the 1841 01:22:43,540 --> 01:22:41,329 governor rick perry is running for 1842 01:22:46,270 --> 01:22:43,550 president now the new jobs are at 1843 01:22:48,459 --> 01:22:46,280 mcdonald's or at convenience stores for 1844 01:22:50,770 --> 01:22:48,469 entry-level incomes it's not just oil 1845 01:22:52,359 --> 01:22:50,780 and advanced technology well i think 1846 01:22:54,700 --> 01:22:52,369 that yeah you're gonna and you're gonna 1847 01:22:56,410 --> 01:22:54,710 have that in every state where i mean 1848 01:22:58,479 --> 01:22:56,420 there's some new McDonald's or Subway's 1849 01:23:00,430 --> 01:22:58,489 opening up and yeah you have entry level 1850 01:23:02,739 --> 01:23:00,440 jobs that are being created but it's not 1851 01:23:04,569 --> 01:23:02,749 enough to sustain our economy but what 1852 01:23:07,509 --> 01:23:04,579 really makes Texas different is the oil 1853 01:23:10,839 --> 01:23:07,519 economy look the whole bush cheney 1854 01:23:13,239 --> 01:23:10,849 administration was basically two Oil 1855 01:23:16,239 --> 01:23:13,249 Company guys robbing America and then 1856 01:23:19,359 --> 01:23:16,249 they started a couple of oil wars too 1857 01:23:20,739 --> 01:23:19,369 which cost trillions of dollars I mean 1858 01:23:22,270 --> 01:23:20,749 that's where all our money is going on 1859 01:23:24,489 --> 01:23:22,280 you don't hear about that too much how 1860 01:23:25,870 --> 01:23:24,499 we're overspending by trillions of 1861 01:23:27,790 --> 01:23:25,880 dollars money we don't have 1862 01:23:31,540 --> 01:23:27,800 yeah if it's money going to the military 1863 01:23:34,450 --> 01:23:31,550 and tell me what the hell this has to do 1864 01:23:38,290 --> 01:23:34,460 with phenomena what this has to do with 1865 01:23:41,109 --> 01:23:38,300 that is that is that the Americans 1866 01:23:44,020 --> 01:23:41,119 probably already have secret technology 1867 01:23:46,359 --> 01:23:44,030 to go back to the moon and it's not in 1868 01:23:48,970 --> 01:23:46,369 Rockets it's will a secret technology 1869 01:23:50,470 --> 01:23:48,980 there's a really interesting video that 1870 01:23:52,540 --> 01:23:50,480 you can watch on YouTube I've watched it 1871 01:23:57,430 --> 01:23:52,550 a number of current administration has 1872 01:24:01,720 --> 01:23:57,440 also already nixed any idea about going 1873 01:24:04,290 --> 01:24:01,730 back to the moon or or much else in any 1874 01:24:07,299 --> 01:24:04,300 kind of space manned space exploration 1875 01:24:10,350 --> 01:24:07,309 now this is one of the things about NASA 1876 01:24:13,810 --> 01:24:10,360 somebody had mentioned some time ago 1877 01:24:15,850 --> 01:24:13,820 about what's happening with NASA 1878 01:24:19,149 --> 01:24:15,860 I believe gene you said something about 1879 01:24:22,899 --> 01:24:19,159 that what what's happening with with our 1880 01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:22,909 manned space exploration if you go back 1881 01:24:29,350 --> 01:24:26,210 and you look especially during the first 1882 01:24:32,620 --> 01:24:29,360 Bush administration and I'm talking 1883 01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:32,630 about George Bush Senior okay at the 1884 01:24:41,620 --> 01:24:37,130 time NASA was being run by Admiral 1885 01:24:42,770 --> 01:24:41,630 Richard truly now truly had made a 1886 01:24:45,610 --> 01:24:42,780 determination 1887 01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:45,620 and that he was going to once again 1888 01:24:53,870 --> 01:24:50,010 bring NASA back as the most open and 1889 01:24:57,320 --> 01:24:53,880 also honest federal bureaucracy then 1890 01:25:01,880 --> 01:24:57,330 around one of the reasons for that was 1891 01:25:04,850 --> 01:25:01,890 because NASA was basically caught with 1892 01:25:08,270 --> 01:25:04,860 their hands in the cookie jar and what I 1893 01:25:11,930 --> 01:25:08,280 mean by that there was a lot of clatter 1894 01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:11,940 that was happening because there was a 1895 01:25:19,510 --> 01:25:15,570 very small nuclear reactor being 1896 01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:19,520 developed to use in space exploration 1897 01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:23,130 like a miniature nuclear reactor there 1898 01:25:28,790 --> 01:25:26,010 were a lot of people extremely upset 1899 01:25:31,010 --> 01:25:28,800 about that and as a result a lot of 1900 01:25:34,220 --> 01:25:31,020 activists were sending Freedom of 1901 01:25:38,810 --> 01:25:34,230 Information Act requests to NASA now 1902 01:25:41,210 --> 01:25:38,820 NASA was caught subverting those Freedom 1903 01:25:44,300 --> 01:25:41,220 of Information Act requests they were 1904 01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:44,310 caught destroying them mixing them up 1905 01:25:49,100 --> 01:25:46,890 they were teaching their middle 1906 01:25:51,910 --> 01:25:49,110 management how to subvert this and I 1907 01:25:55,900 --> 01:25:51,920 might add this was all very illegal 1908 01:25:58,370 --> 01:25:55,910 truly vowed to clean house and 1909 01:26:01,820 --> 01:25:58,380 ultimately what happened he got into a 1910 01:26:06,440 --> 01:26:01,830 public squabble with ten vice president 1911 01:26:08,690 --> 01:26:06,450 Quayle and Bush fired him now who did 1912 01:26:12,860 --> 01:26:08,700 they bring in to head up NASA they 1913 01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:12,870 brought in Dan Goldin from TRW one of 1914 01:26:19,460 --> 01:26:16,890 the most covert satellite corporations 1915 01:26:21,890 --> 01:26:19,470 international corporations in the world 1916 01:26:24,220 --> 01:26:21,900 in other words these guys were working 1917 01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:24,230 in the military black all the time 1918 01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:26,730 necessarily so because of the kind of 1919 01:26:33,050 --> 01:26:29,010 technology they were dealing with but 1920 01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:33,060 what this meant was NASA was going more 1921 01:26:40,340 --> 01:26:36,890 and more black the reason for that 1922 01:26:43,130 --> 01:26:40,350 Congress kept cutting their budget to 1923 01:26:46,100 --> 01:26:43,140 the bone and there was no way they could 1924 01:26:49,490 --> 01:26:46,110 continue on the path they were on but 1925 01:26:52,250 --> 01:26:49,500 the DoD Department of Defense came in 1926 01:26:55,100 --> 01:26:52,260 and started funding a lot of missions 1927 01:26:56,660 --> 01:26:55,110 now soon as that happened that meant 1928 01:26:59,660 --> 01:26:56,670 that they were working under the ice 1929 01:27:02,900 --> 01:26:59,670 this is military security and a lot of 1930 01:27:04,730 --> 01:27:02,910 long-term NASA employees guys that have 1931 01:27:07,910 --> 01:27:04,740 been there from the get-go we're 1932 01:27:09,350 --> 01:27:07,920 retiring being let go whatever and they 1933 01:27:11,870 --> 01:27:09,360 were bringing people in from the 1934 01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:11,880 military and from these corporations 1935 01:27:18,950 --> 01:27:16,170 like TRW so by necessity then they went 1936 01:27:22,190 --> 01:27:18,960 black and one of the results of that of 1937 01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:22,200 course was the joint mission with DoD in 1938 01:27:27,500 --> 01:27:25,290 the Clementine space mission now I think 1939 01:27:29,540 --> 01:27:27,510 that's a hell of a good good point to go 1940 01:27:32,660 --> 01:27:29,550 there Jean well you started it you 1941 01:27:33,980 --> 01:27:32,670 opened the door Don Ecker go in it just 1942 01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:33,990 to let you know we're gonna have to 1943 01:27:38,330 --> 01:27:36,570 break in about a minute and a half so 1944 01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:38,340 let's start it here and continue in our 1945 01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:39,930 next segment we also have some listener 1946 01:27:43,370 --> 01:27:41,610 questions that queued up we'll want to 1947 01:27:46,750 --> 01:27:43,380 get to those go ahead Don okay 1948 01:27:49,370 --> 01:27:46,760 Clementine was a mission that was 1949 01:27:52,190 --> 01:27:49,380 officially called the deep space program 1950 01:27:56,930 --> 01:27:52,200 science experiment basically what it was 1951 01:28:01,640 --> 01:27:56,940 was a DoD mission working in connection 1952 01:28:05,540 --> 01:28:01,650 with NASA to go back to the moon in 1994 1953 01:28:09,860 --> 01:28:05,550 okay and extensively an entirely 1954 01:28:11,860 --> 01:28:09,870 rephotographed the moon now not only the 1955 01:28:15,260 --> 01:28:11,870 moon there was also a near-earth 1956 01:28:18,740 --> 01:28:15,270 asteroid that they wanted to also 1957 01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:18,750 photograph but unfortunately the craft 1958 01:28:23,860 --> 01:28:21,090 the Clementine craft experienced some 1959 01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:23,870 technical difficulties they ended up 1960 01:28:29,150 --> 01:28:26,610 deep-sixing that part of the mission but 1961 01:28:33,170 --> 01:28:29,160 when they went up there it carried seven 1962 01:28:37,130 --> 01:28:33,180 distinct experiments onboard it had a UV 1963 01:28:39,580 --> 01:28:37,140 visible camera an infrared camera a long 1964 01:28:43,190 --> 01:28:39,590 wavelength infrared camera a 1965 01:28:46,580 --> 01:28:43,200 high-resolution camera it had two star 1966 01:28:49,370 --> 01:28:46,590 tracker cameras it had laser altimeter a 1967 01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:49,380 charged particle telescope I mean this 1968 01:28:55,310 --> 01:28:52,890 thing was was ready to go in all waves 1969 01:28:59,060 --> 01:28:55,320 and when it went up there they 1970 01:29:02,270 --> 01:28:59,070 photographed close to not quite but 1971 01:29:05,210 --> 01:29:02,280 close to 2 million extremely 1972 01:29:08,630 --> 01:29:05,220 high-resolution photographs now my 1973 01:29:09,979 --> 01:29:08,640 question has always been number one NASA 1974 01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:09,989 is maintained sin 1975 01:29:17,270 --> 01:29:13,650 cessation of the Apollo program that the 1976 01:29:19,819 --> 01:29:17,280 moon basically had lost interest not 1977 01:29:21,649 --> 01:29:19,829 only for NASA but for the public as a 1978 01:29:24,830 --> 01:29:21,659 matter of fact that's something when you 1979 01:29:27,229 --> 01:29:24,840 ask professional astronomers today and I 1980 01:29:29,660 --> 01:29:27,239 have how often do you do an a lunar 1981 01:29:32,839 --> 01:29:29,670 observation they don't okay they 1982 01:29:34,970 --> 01:29:32,849 basically see the moon as uninteresting 1983 01:29:37,399 --> 01:29:34,980 I'll tell you what we're going to find 1984 01:29:39,830 --> 01:29:37,409 out more of what's going on here in our 1985 01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:39,840 next segment with Don Ecker and David 1986 01:29:44,180 --> 01:29:41,730 hatch who Childress I'm gene Steinberg 1987 01:29:52,710 --> 01:29:44,190 look the co-host is Chris O'Brien you're 1988 01:29:57,290 --> 01:29:55,089 [Music] 1989 01:29:59,389 --> 01:29:57,300 graphic converter is the image 1990 01:30:02,060 --> 01:29:59,399 manipulation tool for the 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01:34:36,949 misconceptions that many in the public 2089 01:34:42,459 --> 01:34:39,969 have is that the moon is basically 2090 01:34:45,129 --> 01:34:42,469 uninteresting we know everything about 2091 01:34:50,290 --> 01:34:45,139 the moon that there is to know which is 2092 01:34:53,410 --> 01:34:50,300 total claptrap for example when Apollo 2093 01:34:56,530 --> 01:34:53,420 was still in in process and we still had 2094 01:35:00,910 --> 01:34:56,540 astronauts going up there do you 2095 01:35:03,700 --> 01:35:00,920 remember the famous Genesis rock that 2096 01:35:07,450 --> 01:35:03,710 was brought back to earth by the 2097 01:35:12,399 --> 01:35:07,460 astronauts the rock that was basically 2098 01:35:15,339 --> 01:35:12,409 older than the earth itself the the 2099 01:35:18,520 --> 01:35:15,349 genesis rock which was around five 2100 01:35:22,540 --> 01:35:18,530 billion years old but what's even more 2101 01:35:25,750 --> 01:35:22,550 fascinating is that the dirt that it was 2102 01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:25,760 laying in they also brought back some of 2103 01:35:32,830 --> 01:35:28,730 that and the dirt itself the lunar soil 2104 01:35:37,270 --> 01:35:32,840 I should say was a billion years older 2105 01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:37,280 than the Genesis rock now when you stop 2106 01:35:43,629 --> 01:35:41,210 to think about it in terms of the age of 2107 01:35:45,370 --> 01:35:43,639 that I mean good lord David had 2108 01:35:47,740 --> 01:35:45,380 mentioned earlier about some of the 2109 01:35:50,500 --> 01:35:47,750 speculation about the moon's origins 2110 01:35:53,620 --> 01:35:50,510 about whether it in fact had been 2111 01:35:56,350 --> 01:35:53,630 tethered and brought into orbit the 2112 01:36:00,459 --> 01:35:56,360 orbit that the moon is in around the 2113 01:36:03,459 --> 01:36:00,469 planet is in fact a miraculous thing 2114 01:36:06,270 --> 01:36:03,469 even though it is moving away from the 2115 01:36:08,919 --> 01:36:06,280 earth roughly an inch a year or 2116 01:36:11,439 --> 01:36:08,929 something along those lines 2117 01:36:14,950 --> 01:36:11,449 the fact that it's been in the position 2118 01:36:17,530 --> 01:36:14,960 at sin that has enabled it to exert the 2119 01:36:21,729 --> 01:36:17,540 gravitational effects including things 2120 01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:21,739 like the movements of the ocean is in 2121 01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:24,890 fact almost ideal for life to sustain 2122 01:36:28,810 --> 01:36:26,449 itself here on the planet 2123 01:36:31,750 --> 01:36:28,820 so there are a tremendous amount of 2124 01:36:33,610 --> 01:36:31,760 unanswered questions about the moon not 2125 01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:33,620 the least of course which is the LTP 2126 01:36:39,580 --> 01:36:35,810 that's been observed for centuries and 2127 01:36:41,890 --> 01:36:39,590 centuries on it but the fact is we don't 2128 01:36:45,310 --> 01:36:41,900 know everything there is to know about 2129 01:36:48,970 --> 01:36:45,320 the moon and the fact that not only the 2130 01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:48,980 Japanese but the Indians and the Chinese 2131 01:36:54,310 --> 01:36:51,290 all want to go there it's gonna be 2132 01:36:55,930 --> 01:36:54,320 fascinating after we basically we the 2133 01:36:58,720 --> 01:36:55,940 United States said we're not going to go 2134 01:37:01,330 --> 01:36:58,730 back it's gonna be fascinating to see 2135 01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:01,340 what in fact develops from that if in 2136 01:37:06,399 --> 01:37:03,530 fact the Chinese and Den's are Japanese 2137 01:37:09,459 --> 01:37:06,409 get up there well you know Don I mean 2138 01:37:12,399 --> 01:37:09,469 that's a good point and I think you know 2139 01:37:16,660 --> 01:37:12,409 what I'm sort of harping on here is that 2140 01:37:18,340 --> 01:37:16,670 yeah this is disinformation and which is 2141 01:37:19,810 --> 01:37:18,350 what you're saying to the idea that 2142 01:37:22,390 --> 01:37:19,820 we're not interested in the moon that 2143 01:37:23,910 --> 01:37:22,400 we're not going back there that we'll 2144 01:37:26,020 --> 01:37:23,920 just let these other guys go there 2145 01:37:29,500 --> 01:37:26,030 there's something wrong with that and 2146 01:37:32,620 --> 01:37:29,510 and if anything we we are on the moon 2147 01:37:34,899 --> 01:37:32,630 where we are there now we we have a 2148 01:37:35,500 --> 01:37:34,909 space program and it's well it's 2149 01:37:38,500 --> 01:37:35,510 top-secret 2150 01:37:41,649 --> 01:37:38,510 maybe we have bases on the moon right 2151 01:37:46,180 --> 01:37:41,659 now I'm looking at a fascinating website 2152 01:37:49,419 --> 01:37:46,190 called the living moon dot-com and on it 2153 01:37:52,240 --> 01:37:49,429 are these photos that are pretty amazing 2154 01:37:56,260 --> 01:37:52,250 of the Aristarchus crater and they're 2155 01:37:56,590 --> 01:37:56,270 taken by some astronomers in the United 2156 01:38:00,010 --> 01:37:56,600 Kingdom 2157 01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:00,020 I would encourage your listeners to go 2158 01:38:05,500 --> 01:38:03,290 to the living room comm and look at some 2159 01:38:09,250 --> 01:38:05,510 of the photos that are here at the ours 2160 01:38:12,550 --> 01:38:09,260 darkest crater is what appears to be 2161 01:38:15,189 --> 01:38:12,560 this dome there that's lit and it has a 2162 01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:15,199 blue glow on it there's some good 2163 01:38:22,870 --> 01:38:17,570 close-ups of this thing this it looks 2164 01:38:25,750 --> 01:38:22,880 like some kind of facility on the moon 2165 01:38:29,290 --> 01:38:25,760 with with like glass domes there's some 2166 01:38:33,190 --> 01:38:29,300 kind of energy there it looks like uh 2167 01:38:37,420 --> 01:38:33,200 what is like a lip city in this crater 2168 01:38:38,440 --> 01:38:37,430 now we might say okay these are these 2169 01:38:40,840 --> 01:38:38,450 are the aliens 2170 01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:40,850 they've been there for for you know 2171 01:38:45,430 --> 01:38:42,890 millions of years billions whatever this 2172 01:38:47,020 --> 01:38:45,440 is their city we've seen it they sent 2173 01:38:49,330 --> 01:38:47,030 their craft to warn us off the moon 2174 01:38:51,700 --> 01:38:49,340 whatever I mean and then those are all 2175 01:38:57,220 --> 01:38:51,710 interesting theories on the other hand 2176 01:38:59,890 --> 01:38:57,230 maybe this blue lit City and the photos 2177 01:39:03,280 --> 01:38:59,900 are pretty amazing of it maybe it's 2178 01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:03,290 actually occupied by the US military and 2179 01:39:08,200 --> 01:39:05,930 maybe it's a joint base with with 2180 01:39:10,690 --> 01:39:08,210 Russians for all we know you know this 2181 01:39:12,730 --> 01:39:10,700 is the the allegations of the secret 2182 01:39:14,290 --> 01:39:12,740 space program so on one hand they're 2183 01:39:15,910 --> 01:39:14,300 saying like oh no we can't go to the 2184 01:39:18,160 --> 01:39:15,920 moon we don't even have a rocket now to 2185 01:39:20,740 --> 01:39:18,170 go there anymore we haven't for decades 2186 01:39:22,240 --> 01:39:20,750 we can't afford to go to the moon well 2187 01:39:25,630 --> 01:39:22,250 yeah let's let the Japanese and Chinese 2188 01:39:26,770 --> 01:39:25,640 so they let don't spend the money well 2189 01:39:29,620 --> 01:39:26,780 we'll look at their photos when they 2190 01:39:33,010 --> 01:39:29,630 come back but apparently yeah there's 2191 01:39:37,120 --> 01:39:33,020 there's something going on David when 2192 01:39:40,990 --> 01:39:37,130 you mention the living moon you got a 2193 01:39:44,380 --> 01:39:41,000 also passion the listening audience that 2194 01:39:46,240 --> 01:39:44,390 there's been a tremendous and when I say 2195 01:39:49,660 --> 01:39:46,250 tremendous I'm talking about a bucket 2196 01:39:52,780 --> 01:39:49,670 full of disinformation that's come out 2197 01:39:57,190 --> 01:39:52,790 with that one of the people involved 2198 01:40:02,250 --> 01:39:57,200 with that is longtime UFO researcher 2199 01:40:05,830 --> 01:40:02,260 John Lear now leer is one of the Envoy 2200 01:40:08,380 --> 01:40:05,840 there is one of the people okay with 2201 01:40:11,890 --> 01:40:08,390 that side you're right yeah yeah hell of 2202 01:40:16,540 --> 01:40:11,900 a lot of disinformation about the aliens 2203 01:40:19,780 --> 01:40:16,550 have a quote-unquote soul catcher up 2204 01:40:22,690 --> 01:40:19,790 there okay in the vicinity of this lit 2205 01:40:25,690 --> 01:40:22,700 area now what the hell is a soul catcher 2206 01:40:28,630 --> 01:40:25,700 this is some of the crap that's been out 2207 01:40:31,390 --> 01:40:28,640 there that when you die your soul leaves 2208 01:40:35,090 --> 01:40:31,400 the body and it's cooped up I mean this 2209 01:40:37,970 --> 01:40:35,100 is one of the thing that bastardize 2210 01:40:40,700 --> 01:40:37,980 this research okay you've gotta be 2211 01:40:43,550 --> 01:40:40,710 willing to sweep the garbage out and 2212 01:40:46,160 --> 01:40:43,560 there's a tremendous lot of garbage out 2213 01:40:48,140 --> 01:40:46,170 there I agree and that's kind of the 2214 01:40:50,390 --> 01:40:48,150 thing with all these sites and including 2215 01:40:52,700 --> 01:40:50,400 what we the information we get from NASA 2216 01:40:55,700 --> 01:40:52,710 or are these whistleblowers I've read 2217 01:40:58,280 --> 01:40:55,710 whatever is that yeah there's this 2218 01:41:02,450 --> 01:40:58,290 information in there along with a few 2219 01:41:04,550 --> 01:41:02,460 little tasty nuggets so how many in the 2220 01:41:08,510 --> 01:41:04,560 audience have the patience or the 2221 01:41:11,630 --> 01:41:08,520 knowledge to sort through that and and 2222 01:41:17,690 --> 01:41:11,640 pick the nuggets out of the crap because 2223 01:41:19,430 --> 01:41:17,700 our cast audience is alive we'll get 2224 01:41:22,100 --> 01:41:19,440 informed right you're you're absolutely 2225 01:41:24,350 --> 01:41:22,110 correct about that but but my point is 2226 01:41:27,080 --> 01:41:24,360 there's a lot more people out there with 2227 01:41:29,180 --> 01:41:27,090 an interest in these topics than just 2228 01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:29,190 simply the people on the para cast and 2229 01:41:33,950 --> 01:41:31,770 they go to a lot of other forums where 2230 01:41:41,870 --> 01:41:33,960 they're not nearly as discriminating 2231 01:41:44,900 --> 01:41:41,880 well being being informed is is what you 2232 01:41:45,200 --> 01:41:44,910 need to hopefully be and then that's not 2233 01:41:49,370 --> 01:41:45,210 easy 2234 01:41:52,040 --> 01:41:49,380 it means reading these books going to 2235 01:41:54,290 --> 01:41:52,050 these websites doing some original 2236 01:41:58,970 --> 01:41:54,300 research thinking outside the box as 2237 01:42:00,980 --> 01:41:58,980 well a lot of weird stuff there is this 2238 01:42:02,330 --> 01:42:00,990 there's a YouTube video that's well 2239 01:42:08,180 --> 01:42:02,340 worth watching and I've seen it a number 2240 01:42:11,570 --> 01:42:08,190 of times and it purports to be Apollo 2241 01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:11,580 astronauts on the moon and they're going 2242 01:42:21,950 --> 01:42:15,570 through a derelict spacecraft there you 2243 01:42:23,930 --> 01:42:21,960 can see they go inside 20 mission what's 2244 01:42:28,640 --> 01:42:23,940 called the Apollo 20 mission and they 2245 01:42:30,890 --> 01:42:28,650 encounter a female extraterrestrial body 2246 01:42:32,990 --> 01:42:30,900 there is that what yeah with no you know 2247 01:42:34,580 --> 01:42:33,000 that's a newer one and that is that's 2248 01:42:37,640 --> 01:42:34,590 kind of coming out with this movie 2249 01:42:40,370 --> 01:42:37,650 that's being made right but this YouTube 2250 01:42:43,490 --> 01:42:40,380 video is been up there for a good six 2251 01:42:45,380 --> 01:42:43,500 seven years well my question is simple 2252 01:42:48,180 --> 01:42:45,390 David when when that kind of stuff comes 2253 01:42:51,090 --> 01:42:48,190 out okay it's it's very simple you 2254 01:42:52,709 --> 01:42:51,100 in fact it's legitimate and believe me I 2255 01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:52,719 don't think it is I know what you're 2256 01:42:56,970 --> 01:42:53,530 talking about 2257 01:42:59,670 --> 01:42:56,980 but if it is legitimate do you really 2258 01:43:01,410 --> 01:42:59,680 believe that the powers that be would 2259 01:43:04,860 --> 01:43:01,420 allow that to be up there 2260 01:43:07,080 --> 01:43:04,870 I don't you know these are the kind of 2261 01:43:10,709 --> 01:43:07,090 things yeah that that leak out that they 2262 01:43:12,930 --> 01:43:10,719 don't want the British writers of 2263 01:43:15,450 --> 01:43:12,940 Darkmoon their subtitle of their book 2264 01:43:17,160 --> 01:43:15,460 was Apollo and the whistleblowers they 2265 01:43:19,320 --> 01:43:17,170 maintained throughout their book that 2266 01:43:21,750 --> 01:43:19,330 within the Apollo program there were 2267 01:43:25,320 --> 01:43:21,760 people who were working on it who were 2268 01:43:28,620 --> 01:43:25,330 purposely putting in anomalies and and 2269 01:43:30,990 --> 01:43:28,630 and putting things in that people would 2270 01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:31,000 notice that they would see that it was a 2271 01:43:35,910 --> 01:43:33,850 fake that you know they were part of 2272 01:43:38,160 --> 01:43:35,920 this what they believed was this 2273 01:43:40,770 --> 01:43:38,170 elaborate hoax but that there were 2274 01:43:43,260 --> 01:43:40,780 people within it working on the project 2275 01:43:46,770 --> 01:43:43,270 who were trying to sabotage it trying to 2276 01:43:49,800 --> 01:43:46,780 bring you know the stories out of what 2277 01:43:52,650 --> 01:43:49,810 was really going on and so we might have 2278 01:43:55,170 --> 01:43:52,660 in a sense some of this footage leaked 2279 01:43:57,570 --> 01:43:55,180 from NASA they don't want it to be and 2280 01:44:00,870 --> 01:43:57,580 then of course what you're saying Don is 2281 01:44:03,150 --> 01:44:00,880 that when little things like this do get 2282 01:44:05,340 --> 01:44:03,160 out let's say these fascinating photos 2283 01:44:08,189 --> 01:44:05,350 on the living room comm I mean these are 2284 01:44:09,750 --> 01:44:08,199 interesting but then they have to create 2285 01:44:11,850 --> 01:44:09,760 some spin on it that makes it sound 2286 01:44:13,770 --> 01:44:11,860 ridiculous and stupid like this soul 2287 01:44:15,270 --> 01:44:13,780 catcher thing you're mentioning I'll 2288 01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:15,280 tell you what before we get any more 2289 01:44:19,410 --> 01:44:17,530 spin control out there we have another 2290 01:44:19,830 --> 01:44:19,420 kind of spin that has to be coming our 2291 01:44:22,020 --> 01:44:19,840 way 2292 01:44:24,030 --> 01:44:22,030 we have David Hatcher Childress of The 2293 01:44:26,790 --> 01:44:24,040 Adventures unlimited press and author of 2294 01:44:29,280 --> 01:44:26,800 zillions of books we have Don Ecker the 2295 01:44:31,560 --> 01:44:29,290 prolific writer himself and the host of 2296 01:44:33,720 --> 01:44:31,570 the dark matters radio show the co-host 2297 01:44:42,730 --> 01:44:33,730 is Chris O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg 2298 01:44:47,500 --> 01:44:44,970 [Music] 2299 01:44:49,390 --> 01:44:47,510 hi this is Ted Anderson if you'd like to 2300 01:44:50,320 --> 01:44:49,400 listen to GCN programs on the goal I 2301 01:44:52,210 --> 01:44:50,330 have great news 2302 01:44:54,220 --> 01:44:52,220 g ZN s created a droid and iphone 2303 01:44:56,320 --> 01:44:54,230 application and it's free just as easy 2304 01:44:58,060 --> 01:44:56,330 as going to GC and live.com click on the 2305 01:44:59,320 --> 01:44:58,070 banner and download before you know it 2306 01:45:01,540 --> 01:44:59,330 you'll be listening to your favorite 2307 01:45:03,820 --> 01:45:01,550 hard-hitting GCN shows live around a man 2308 01:45:05,560 --> 01:45:03,830 right on your droid or iphone 24/7 and 2309 01:45:07,210 --> 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01:45:50,680 welcome back to the para cast the gold 2324 01:46:02,650 --> 01:45:55,540 standard of paranormal radio and now 2325 01:46:05,800 --> 01:46:02,660 here's Jane Steinberg this is one of the 2326 01:46:08,200 --> 01:46:05,810 shows where Chris and I can be the flies 2327 01:46:12,460 --> 01:46:08,210 on the wall and just let David Hatcher 2328 01:46:16,180 --> 01:46:12,470 Childress and Don Ecker do I hear a buzz 2329 01:46:20,710 --> 01:46:16,190 in the background I'm actually flying 2330 01:46:22,720 --> 01:46:20,720 around I'm not on the wall okay - that 2331 01:46:26,290 --> 01:46:22,730 machine that they had in the movie the 2332 01:46:29,680 --> 01:46:26,300 fly to transport yourself and it's not 2333 01:46:31,660 --> 01:46:29,690 like the teleportation device in Star 2334 01:46:36,430 --> 01:46:31,670 Trek it didn't work wasn't perfected 2335 01:46:40,330 --> 01:46:36,440 your part fly 90% human part fly on the 2336 01:46:43,180 --> 01:46:40,340 wall yeah Bendel fly you know one 2337 01:46:45,160 --> 01:46:43,190 subject we mentioned earlier when we're 2338 01:46:47,980 --> 01:46:45,170 talking about people who are somewhat 2339 01:46:49,840 --> 01:46:47,990 controversial Richard Hoagland comes to 2340 01:46:50,590 --> 01:46:49,850 mind I know we've talked about him 2341 01:46:52,870 --> 01:46:50,600 before 2342 01:46:54,820 --> 01:46:52,880 David Hatcher Childress but Don Ecker 2343 01:46:58,240 --> 01:46:54,830 what's your take on Richard Hoagland 2344 01:47:01,420 --> 01:46:58,250 well I've known Hoagland since basically 2345 01:47:04,660 --> 01:47:01,430 the late 80s and when you're talking 2346 01:47:08,710 --> 01:47:04,670 about the moon there's a an incident 2347 01:47:12,100 --> 01:47:08,720 that I've relayed before in other venues 2348 01:47:14,530 --> 01:47:12,110 I'll give it out here once again but I 2349 01:47:18,340 --> 01:47:14,540 had mentioned earlier in the show 2350 01:47:21,070 --> 01:47:18,350 Jim Sylvan who was a longtime lunar 2351 01:47:24,130 --> 01:47:21,080 researcher somebody that was following 2352 01:47:27,510 --> 01:47:24,140 very closely in the footsteps of what 2353 01:47:31,780 --> 01:47:27,520 George Leonard did back in the 70s and 2354 01:47:35,470 --> 01:47:31,790 Jim was a guest on my old radio show 2355 01:47:38,080 --> 01:47:35,480 UFOs tonight now when Jim was on there 2356 01:47:39,880 --> 01:47:38,090 after the show and like I had mentioned 2357 01:47:42,910 --> 01:47:39,890 at the time he was living out here on 2358 01:47:45,700 --> 01:47:42,920 the west coast we were fairly close to 2359 01:47:48,070 --> 01:47:45,710 each other we became friends and he came 2360 01:47:50,950 --> 01:47:48,080 to me one time because at that time I 2361 01:47:54,640 --> 01:47:50,960 was a director of research for UFO 2362 01:47:58,300 --> 01:47:54,650 magazine and at that time we were 2363 01:47:59,380 --> 01:47:58,310 basically the magazine of record because 2364 01:48:01,600 --> 01:47:59,390 of the 2365 01:48:05,020 --> 01:48:01,610 work that we were doing and everybody 2366 01:48:09,460 --> 01:48:05,030 came to UFO magazine then at one point 2367 01:48:12,340 --> 01:48:09,470 or another and Jim said Donnie said you 2368 01:48:14,470 --> 01:48:12,350 know he said I read a Hoagland's book 2369 01:48:18,400 --> 01:48:14,480 the monuments of Mars I was very 2370 01:48:22,390 --> 01:48:18,410 impressed with his work in that do you 2371 01:48:24,820 --> 01:48:22,400 know and I said yes I do he said well he 2372 01:48:28,630 --> 01:48:24,830 said you know I've never seen him say 2373 01:48:31,390 --> 01:48:28,640 anything about moon research and because 2374 01:48:34,750 --> 01:48:31,400 of what he did with the cydonia Mars 2375 01:48:37,930 --> 01:48:34,760 space I'd like to send him some material 2376 01:48:40,690 --> 01:48:37,940 and have him take a look at it would 2377 01:48:42,100 --> 01:48:40,700 would you make that possible so I said 2378 01:48:45,070 --> 01:48:42,110 sure be happy to do it 2379 01:48:48,250 --> 01:48:45,080 well subsequently Jim put together a big 2380 01:48:51,310 --> 01:48:48,260 package of material for Hoagland sent it 2381 01:48:54,940 --> 01:48:51,320 off to him and then weighed it and never 2382 01:48:58,080 --> 01:48:54,950 heard a word back either pro/con or 2383 01:49:02,790 --> 01:48:58,090 anything else from Hoagland however 2384 01:49:06,400 --> 01:49:02,800 roughly six seven months later suddenly 2385 01:49:09,910 --> 01:49:06,410 dick Hoagland discovered the moon do you 2386 01:49:13,090 --> 01:49:09,920 remember the obelisk or tower whatever 2387 01:49:16,510 --> 01:49:13,100 it was that hoechlin came out made quite 2388 01:49:18,930 --> 01:49:16,520 a splash with its last fine glass tower 2389 01:49:24,550 --> 01:49:18,940 or something yeah yeah right exactly 2390 01:49:27,040 --> 01:49:24,560 exactly and I really wasn't paying a 2391 01:49:30,550 --> 01:49:27,050 heck of a lot of attention as far as Jim 2392 01:49:33,250 --> 01:49:30,560 was concerned so the next time he came 2393 01:49:36,790 --> 01:49:33,260 back on and of course I was aware of 2394 01:49:38,860 --> 01:49:36,800 what what Hoagland had done and I kind 2395 01:49:41,200 --> 01:49:38,870 of thought that they in fact had gotten 2396 01:49:42,970 --> 01:49:41,210 together so I asked him I said well how 2397 01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:42,980 did that go with you sending that 2398 01:49:47,800 --> 01:49:45,530 material on to Hoagland he said well I 2399 01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:47,810 never heard back from him and I said 2400 01:49:53,590 --> 01:49:50,810 well Jim are you aware that he's now out 2401 01:49:56,140 --> 01:49:53,600 there talking about this this glass 2402 01:49:57,940 --> 01:49:56,150 tower or whatever it was that he 2403 01:49:59,620 --> 01:49:57,950 suddenly discovered on the moon he said 2404 01:50:02,020 --> 01:49:59,630 yeah he said it's kind of funny in them 2405 01:50:05,110 --> 01:50:02,030 after I sent him that that big package 2406 01:50:07,860 --> 01:50:05,120 of material and photographs suddenly 2407 01:50:10,870 --> 01:50:07,870 this happened so I did not find that 2408 01:50:12,330 --> 01:50:10,880 unusual because there were a number of 2409 01:50:16,380 --> 01:50:12,340 other people 2410 01:50:19,860 --> 01:50:16,390 claimed the same type of reaction when 2411 01:50:22,920 --> 01:50:19,870 they would send stuff to dick dick would 2412 01:50:25,830 --> 01:50:22,930 not acknowledge them and suddenly dick 2413 01:50:27,330 --> 01:50:25,840 was onto that particular pony so there's 2414 01:50:28,680 --> 01:50:27,340 a way to do that 2415 01:50:32,010 --> 01:50:28,690 I'm sorry word for that's called 2416 01:50:33,930 --> 01:50:32,020 plagiarism oh okay well you see now this 2417 01:50:36,950 --> 01:50:33,940 is another reason I come on the a pair 2418 01:50:40,230 --> 01:50:36,960 of cast I learned new words sometimes so 2419 01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:40,240 those things happen listen guys you know 2420 01:50:45,900 --> 01:50:42,010 we have a bunch of questions in the 2421 01:50:47,820 --> 01:50:45,910 queue yeah friend listeners we do how 2422 01:50:49,320 --> 01:50:47,830 about this one there's quite a number of 2423 01:50:53,250 --> 01:50:49,330 people that were very taken with the 2424 01:50:55,980 --> 01:50:53,260 work of Alan Sturm and he left a very 2425 01:50:58,740 --> 01:50:55,990 enigmatic message as he dropped 2426 01:51:00,840 --> 01:50:58,750 completely off the face of the planet 2427 01:51:02,460 --> 01:51:00,850 and nobody's really heard from him since 2428 01:51:04,890 --> 01:51:02,470 and I think the message was something 2429 01:51:07,260 --> 01:51:04,900 like follow the White Rabbit do either 2430 01:51:09,900 --> 01:51:07,270 of our guests want to comment on the 2431 01:51:12,030 --> 01:51:09,910 work of Alan Sturm and could possibly to 2432 01:51:14,550 --> 01:51:12,040 follow the White Rabbit comment be 2433 01:51:17,280 --> 01:51:14,560 construed to say you should be looking 2434 01:51:19,470 --> 01:51:17,290 down the tunnel and maybe be going 2435 01:51:22,740 --> 01:51:19,480 underground what do you guys think well 2436 01:51:25,410 --> 01:51:22,750 I'll tell you from my perspective I knew 2437 01:51:29,340 --> 01:51:25,420 Alan's term I had Alan on Dark Matters 2438 01:51:33,420 --> 01:51:29,350 radio as a matter of fact it was a very 2439 01:51:36,870 --> 01:51:33,430 good show when when he came on he was 2440 01:51:39,720 --> 01:51:36,880 basically at that time at the end or 2441 01:51:42,360 --> 01:51:39,730 coming close to the end of his public 2442 01:51:45,150 --> 01:51:42,370 research and there were a number of 2443 01:51:50,100 --> 01:51:45,160 reasons for that number one he was going 2444 01:51:55,020 --> 01:51:50,110 through some extremely arduous economic 2445 01:51:57,810 --> 01:51:55,030 problems because of his and you know 2446 01:52:00,180 --> 01:51:57,820 going down the rabbit hole if you will 2447 01:52:04,380 --> 01:52:00,190 when he first got onto the lunar 2448 01:52:07,020 --> 01:52:04,390 questioned he became like many people do 2449 01:52:11,160 --> 01:52:07,030 when they get into these esoteric topic 2450 01:52:14,790 --> 01:52:11,170 suit subjects consumed with it and he 2451 01:52:17,460 --> 01:52:14,800 was not making any money at it his wife 2452 01:52:20,340 --> 01:52:17,470 ultimately ended up leaving him and 2453 01:52:23,850 --> 01:52:20,350 divorcing him because of the economic 2454 01:52:26,259 --> 01:52:23,860 problems his his home was taken away 2455 01:52:30,250 --> 01:52:26,269 from them and basically 2456 01:52:35,290 --> 01:52:30,260 the other thing was as he told me all 2457 01:52:37,629 --> 01:52:35,300 the crazies that were going after him he 2458 01:52:40,839 --> 01:52:37,639 ultimately threw up his hands in the air 2459 01:52:42,970 --> 01:52:40,849 brought his website down left that 2460 01:52:45,689 --> 01:52:42,980 message up there about following the 2461 01:52:50,169 --> 01:52:45,699 White Rabbit I assume down the hole and 2462 01:52:52,180 --> 01:52:50,179 disappeared I tried to contact Allen to 2463 01:52:54,759 --> 01:52:52,190 bring him back on the show because quite 2464 01:52:58,540 --> 01:52:54,769 frankly I was I was concerned about him 2465 01:53:01,450 --> 01:52:58,550 and I was curious as to what if anything 2466 01:53:03,609 --> 01:53:01,460 he was doing and he never got back to me 2467 01:53:06,390 --> 01:53:03,619 I had a cell phone number form 2468 01:53:10,089 --> 01:53:06,400 I tried calling it a number of times and 2469 01:53:11,919 --> 01:53:10,099 that was it he just basically said I've 2470 01:53:15,549 --> 01:53:11,929 had it and disappeared 2471 01:53:17,140 --> 01:53:15,559 what was his he'd spent quite a 2472 01:53:20,229 --> 01:53:17,150 considerable amount of time if I 2473 01:53:22,629 --> 01:53:20,239 remember correctly you know laborious ly 2474 01:53:25,149 --> 01:53:22,639 poring over lunar photographs did he 2475 01:53:27,970 --> 01:53:25,159 have any particular theories that we're 2476 01:53:30,520 --> 01:53:27,980 let's say out of the box or beyond the 2477 01:53:33,339 --> 01:53:30,530 pale I mean what was the actual you know 2478 01:53:36,669 --> 01:53:33,349 thrust of his work well the thrust of 2479 01:53:39,160 --> 01:53:36,679 his work was he documented obviously and 2480 01:53:42,279 --> 01:53:39,170 he got these I might add from the 2481 01:53:45,239 --> 01:53:42,289 University of Arizona at a lunar archive 2482 01:53:48,669 --> 01:53:45,249 area if met one of the curators became 2483 01:53:52,989 --> 01:53:48,679 friends with them they in fact allowed 2484 01:53:58,169 --> 01:53:52,999 him to go through these archives and he 2485 01:54:03,910 --> 01:53:58,179 found some absolutely in my opinion 2486 01:54:06,910 --> 01:54:03,920 ironclad examples of artificial objects 2487 01:54:10,959 --> 01:54:06,920 phenomena on there some of this stuff 2488 01:54:13,299 --> 01:54:10,969 was truly mind-boggling and he was 2489 01:54:17,470 --> 01:54:13,309 basically he ended up putting together a 2490 01:54:20,609 --> 01:54:17,480 PDF book that he was letting go for a 2491 01:54:23,770 --> 01:54:20,619 song he was basically he was asking for 2492 01:54:27,459 --> 01:54:23,780 donations just five dollars if I recall 2493 01:54:30,069 --> 01:54:27,469 correctly and people would would get a 2494 01:54:32,649 --> 01:54:30,079 copy of this book and not giving it 2495 01:54:34,359 --> 01:54:32,659 damned about this term himself would 2496 01:54:37,540 --> 01:54:34,369 pass it around all their friends and 2497 01:54:39,430 --> 01:54:37,550 relations and the guy the guy lost his 2498 01:54:43,600 --> 01:54:39,440 shirt with it 2499 01:54:47,200 --> 01:54:43,610 so you know he he finally just had 2500 01:54:50,590 --> 01:54:47,210 enough and said you know boy am i sorry 2501 01:54:53,050 --> 01:54:50,600 I got off on this tangent it cost me my 2502 01:54:56,440 --> 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Keep Calm that's 2613 01:59:43,630 --> 01:59:40,910 Gober Keep Calm today America's number 2614 01:59:45,660 --> 01:59:43,640 one source for independent talk radio 2615 01:59:52,450 --> 01:59:45,670 for over a decade 2616 01:59:54,010 --> 01:59:52,460 we are the gcn radio network we'd like 2617 01:59:56,320 --> 01:59:54,020 to hear from you 2618 02:00:00,280 --> 01:59:56,330 if you have a comment or question about 2619 02:00:04,420 --> 02:00:00,290 the para cast send it to news at the 2620 02:00:08,230 --> 02:00:04,430 para cast com that's news at the para 2621 02:00:11,560 --> 02:00:08,240 cast dot-com and if you'd like to catch 2622 02:00:14,230 --> 02:00:11,570 up on past episodes we have hundreds of 2623 02:00:17,050 --> 02:00:14,240 shows for you to download direct from 2624 02:00:22,090 --> 02:00:17,060 the para cast com 2625 02:00:27,160 --> 02:00:22,100 that's the para cast dot-com or check us 2626 02:00:29,650 --> 02:00:27,170 out at iTunes we'll go back to the moon 2627 02:00:32,170 --> 02:00:29,660 kind of like Jackie Gleason said back in 2628 02:00:34,330 --> 02:00:32,180 the TV series The Honeymooners to the 2629 02:00:36,490 --> 02:00:34,340 moon Alice well we're going to the moon 2630 02:00:39,370 --> 02:00:36,500 with Don Ecker and David Hatcher 2631 02:00:41,650 --> 02:00:39,380 childress exploring your questions with 2632 02:00:43,030 --> 02:00:41,660 Gene and Chris on the power cast Chris 2633 02:00:46,810 --> 02:00:43,040 you have some more questions to follow 2634 02:00:49,510 --> 02:00:46,820 up on I do trained observer who's been a 2635 02:00:51,280 --> 02:00:49,520 longtime poster on the forums here at 2636 02:00:53,230 --> 02:00:51,290 the para cast has an interesting 2637 02:00:54,910 --> 02:00:53,240 question given that countries other than 2638 02:00:56,950 --> 02:00:54,920 the United States have mapped the moon 2639 02:00:59,200 --> 02:00:56,960 have you or anyone else that's throw 2640 02:01:01,450 --> 02:00:59,210 this one to david made any attempts to 2641 02:01:04,660 --> 02:01:01,460 get Japan or India's high-resolution 2642 02:01:06,670 --> 02:01:04,670 images of suspect areas that we've been 2643 02:01:09,190 --> 02:01:06,680 talking about well no that's a great 2644 02:01:11,800 --> 02:01:09,200 idea and I have to admit no I have not 2645 02:01:14,050 --> 02:01:11,810 made an effort to get those photos and 2646 02:01:17,140 --> 02:01:14,060 stuff like that I'm not aware of whether 2647 02:01:21,130 --> 02:01:17,150 they're releasing them most space 2648 02:01:24,130 --> 02:01:21,140 programs are pretty secret and what they 2649 02:01:26,260 --> 02:01:24,140 discover the photographs even their 2650 02:01:28,180 --> 02:01:26,270 technology for going to the moon and and 2651 02:01:30,850 --> 02:01:28,190 the cameras except they use and they 2652 02:01:33,130 --> 02:01:30,860 tend to keep that stuff secret India and 2653 02:01:35,380 --> 02:01:33,140 in China would as well and then just 2654 02:01:37,420 --> 02:01:35,390 like NASA I mean no kind of release what 2655 02:01:38,980 --> 02:01:37,430 they want oh here's some photos of the 2656 02:01:41,230 --> 02:01:38,990 moon here's what we discovered if 2657 02:01:44,800 --> 02:01:41,240 there's really is this secret space 2658 02:01:47,440 --> 02:01:44,810 program and that moon say occupied and 2659 02:01:49,360 --> 02:01:47,450 our structures this is something that 2660 02:01:52,030 --> 02:01:49,370 other governments would be aware of too 2661 02:01:55,720 --> 02:01:52,040 is certainly the Russians for sure and 2662 02:01:58,660 --> 02:01:55,730 yeah the Chinese the Indians also 2663 02:02:02,220 --> 02:01:58,670 particularly in China and and in India 2664 02:02:04,580 --> 02:02:02,230 the concept of what life's about 2665 02:02:07,020 --> 02:02:04,590 life on planet Earth 2666 02:02:10,350 --> 02:02:07,030 the idea of extraterrestrials and life 2667 02:02:12,870 --> 02:02:10,360 on other planets well on our in our 2668 02:02:15,270 --> 02:02:12,880 country yeah we have basically our space 2669 02:02:17,670 --> 02:02:15,280 agencies saying oh you know there's 2670 02:02:19,590 --> 02:02:17,680 there's no life out there there's we're 2671 02:02:21,900 --> 02:02:19,600 going to Mars we can't find you know 2672 02:02:24,150 --> 02:02:21,910 life although occasionally they'll say 2673 02:02:27,240 --> 02:02:24,160 oh well yeah you know there's some that 2674 02:02:29,430 --> 02:02:27,250 kiria or something however I would say 2675 02:02:31,950 --> 02:02:29,440 Indy or something they may be just as a 2676 02:02:35,160 --> 02:02:31,960 nation may be more disposed to say that 2677 02:02:36,900 --> 02:02:35,170 oh yeah this is what we found it's it's 2678 02:02:39,390 --> 02:02:36,910 astonishing there are structures on the 2679 02:02:42,150 --> 02:02:39,400 moon here is photos they can believe 2680 02:02:44,160 --> 02:02:42,160 that in ancient Indian epics you know 2681 02:02:47,580 --> 02:02:44,170 I've often in my books talk about 2682 02:02:48,960 --> 02:02:47,590 Vimanas and ancient aliens I'm on the 2683 02:02:51,000 --> 02:02:48,970 show on the History Channel about 2684 02:02:53,490 --> 02:02:51,010 ancient aliens and the idea is and 2685 02:02:55,980 --> 02:02:53,500 ancient Indian epics is that they had 2686 02:02:57,690 --> 02:02:55,990 spacecraft in ancient times that's what 2687 02:02:59,970 --> 02:02:57,700 most Indians believed they had these 2688 02:03:02,220 --> 02:02:59,980 things called Vimanas they're stories 2689 02:03:04,410 --> 02:03:02,230 within the ancient Indian epics that 2690 02:03:06,870 --> 02:03:04,420 they went to the moon so here you have 2691 02:03:10,260 --> 02:03:06,880 actually a fascinating idea that we've 2692 02:03:13,050 --> 02:03:10,270 not touched on yet that perhaps the moon 2693 02:03:15,480 --> 02:03:13,060 is occupied but it's occupied by humans 2694 02:03:18,330 --> 02:03:15,490 from the ancient past maybe they're up 2695 02:03:19,920 --> 02:03:18,340 here they're they're Hindus even have 2696 02:03:22,890 --> 02:03:19,930 their ancient space space that they 2697 02:03:25,560 --> 02:03:22,900 started a 10,000 years ago we don't know 2698 02:03:27,810 --> 02:03:25,570 I mean I can tell you many Indians and 2699 02:03:29,790 --> 02:03:27,820 Buddhists and Hindus yeah and South Asia 2700 02:03:32,490 --> 02:03:29,800 they would totally believe that how 2701 02:03:37,980 --> 02:03:32,500 about that yeah they have cows and space 2702 02:03:40,200 --> 02:03:37,990 suits wandering around - probably using 2703 02:03:42,180 --> 02:03:40,210 idea that along these lines that it's 2704 02:03:45,140 --> 02:03:42,190 been speculated and Rebs tackling 2705 02:03:49,080 --> 02:03:45,150 speculated this also George Leonard that 2706 02:03:50,550 --> 02:03:49,090 one of the mysteries in UFOs and in you 2707 02:03:52,260 --> 02:03:50,560 must have maybe written about this and 2708 02:03:55,560 --> 02:03:52,270 UFO magazine at one point dawn or 2709 02:03:58,740 --> 02:03:55,570 something is that some UFOs go and suck 2710 02:04:00,450 --> 02:03:58,750 up huge amounts of fresh water and there 2711 02:04:02,820 --> 02:04:00,460 are a number of mysteries in Australia 2712 02:04:05,780 --> 02:04:02,830 and Argentina oates up in Canada where 2713 02:04:09,690 --> 02:04:05,790 all these lakes people see these UFOs a 2714 02:04:11,880 --> 02:04:09,700 hose come down they actually take up you 2715 02:04:15,990 --> 02:04:11,890 know thousands of thousands of pure 2716 02:04:18,210 --> 02:04:16,000 fresh water into these UFOs where are 2717 02:04:20,940 --> 02:04:18,220 they taking it why do they want 2718 02:04:23,790 --> 02:04:20,950 all this water oh yeah those stories 2719 02:04:25,530 --> 02:04:23,800 those stories have have been coming 2720 02:04:27,990 --> 02:04:25,540 around and witnesses that have claimed 2721 02:04:31,200 --> 02:04:28,000 seeing that for a long time but you know 2722 02:04:34,170 --> 02:04:31,210 I I do want to comment very briefly on 2723 02:04:37,200 --> 02:04:34,180 on one thing you've mentioned him now 2724 02:04:39,900 --> 02:04:37,210 several times Fred's struggling now I 2725 02:04:42,990 --> 02:04:39,910 gotta tell you David I I've got a copy 2726 02:04:45,380 --> 02:04:43,000 of his book I read it and it's been some 2727 02:04:48,960 --> 02:04:45,390 time ago that I read it but his 2728 02:04:52,050 --> 02:04:48,970 conclusions no pun intended 2729 02:04:55,410 --> 02:04:52,060 are all wet Strickling was talking about 2730 02:04:58,740 --> 02:04:55,420 fresh lakes on the moon he was talking 2731 02:05:02,460 --> 02:04:58,750 about trees and and kind of stuff I mean 2732 02:05:06,420 --> 02:05:02,470 some of this mind boggling direct like 2733 02:05:09,030 --> 02:05:06,430 John Lear has put out in recent years 2734 02:05:11,580 --> 02:05:09,040 now where did he come up with those 2735 02:05:14,010 --> 02:05:11,590 ideas well I'll tell you where he came 2736 02:05:16,080 --> 02:05:14,020 up with those ideas he was talking about 2737 02:05:19,830 --> 02:05:16,090 photographs he saw from the early 2738 02:05:22,200 --> 02:05:19,840 unmanned lunar missions now during that 2739 02:05:25,110 --> 02:05:22,210 time okay and we're talking about in the 2740 02:05:26,640 --> 02:05:25,120 mid-60s when the first unmanned missions 2741 02:05:29,430 --> 02:05:26,650 were going up there to photograph the 2742 02:05:32,580 --> 02:05:29,440 moon for Apollo the technology at that 2743 02:05:34,710 --> 02:05:32,590 time the cameras would take the 2744 02:05:38,550 --> 02:05:34,720 photographs with photographs photographs 2745 02:05:40,350 --> 02:05:38,560 strips of the lunar surface as they were 2746 02:05:42,990 --> 02:05:40,360 in orbit okay 2747 02:05:45,420 --> 02:05:43,000 and they basically ended up making a 2748 02:05:48,300 --> 02:05:45,430 mosaic and anybody that's ever seen any 2749 02:05:50,040 --> 02:05:48,310 of those early lunar photos will know 2750 02:05:53,280 --> 02:05:50,050 exactly what I'm talking about you can 2751 02:05:56,250 --> 02:05:53,290 clearly see the strips and the mosaic of 2752 02:06:01,020 --> 02:05:56,260 the moon as the craft photographed them 2753 02:06:04,140 --> 02:06:01,030 it would develop them on board the 2754 02:06:08,310 --> 02:06:04,150 spacecraft the telemetry would then be 2755 02:06:11,880 --> 02:06:08,320 beamed back to earth now strickland's 2756 02:06:16,020 --> 02:06:11,890 ideas of fresh lakes popping up on the 2757 02:06:18,840 --> 02:06:16,030 moon okay came from solution from the 2758 02:06:21,570 --> 02:06:18,850 development solution that would pull on 2759 02:06:23,940 --> 02:06:21,580 some of these photographs and of course 2760 02:06:26,430 --> 02:06:23,950 that would be beamed back to earth too 2761 02:06:29,510 --> 02:06:26,440 now the people at NASA knew what in the 2762 02:06:31,949 --> 02:06:29,520 hell that was okay it's solution 2763 02:06:35,580 --> 02:06:31,959 Strickling didn't and then you got 2764 02:06:38,910 --> 02:06:35,590 this grec about open bodies of water on 2765 02:06:42,419 --> 02:06:38,920 the moon now if that's the type of 2766 02:06:45,839 --> 02:06:42,429 research that's struggling conducted at 2767 02:06:48,989 --> 02:06:45,849 that period of time and let's also not 2768 02:06:52,279 --> 02:06:48,999 forget his family which has carried on 2769 02:06:54,949 --> 02:06:52,289 after struggling passed on our firm 2770 02:06:57,750 --> 02:06:54,959 proponents of the George Adamski 2771 02:07:02,549 --> 02:06:57,760 foundation one of the great frauds and 2772 02:07:05,489 --> 02:07:02,559 charlatans in UFO history okay I don't I 2773 02:07:08,609 --> 02:07:05,499 don't place a lot of a lot of stock in 2774 02:07:10,679 --> 02:07:08,619 what struggling had to say you know what 2775 02:07:13,679 --> 02:07:10,689 I you're right there dawn that Fred 2776 02:07:17,040 --> 02:07:13,689 speckling was a follower of George 2777 02:07:19,589 --> 02:07:17,050 Adamski and believed a lot of what a 2778 02:07:23,069 --> 02:07:19,599 damn ski claimed it's interesting we're 2779 02:07:26,729 --> 02:07:23,079 coming out with a book later this year 2780 02:07:28,350 --> 02:07:26,739 by the author Joseph P Farrell who looks 2781 02:07:30,959 --> 02:07:28,360 into a lot of the secret technology and 2782 02:07:34,229 --> 02:07:30,969 whatnot and it's it's about a damn ski 2783 02:07:36,929 --> 02:07:34,239 as a disinformation person looking into 2784 02:07:39,149 --> 02:07:36,939 his eyes actually with Nazis and things 2785 02:07:40,890 --> 02:07:39,159 like that so if this book we're coming 2786 02:07:43,830 --> 02:07:40,900 out with more or less goes along with 2787 02:07:46,709 --> 02:07:43,840 what you say that and and a lot of it's 2788 02:07:48,870 --> 02:07:46,719 about Adamski although that there's more 2789 02:07:50,189 --> 02:07:48,880 to Adamski than would meet the eye I 2790 02:07:53,459 --> 02:07:50,199 think they would say 2791 02:07:56,790 --> 02:07:53,469 spackling believed yes the other day the 2792 02:07:58,850 --> 02:07:56,800 moon was was occupied he believed that 2793 02:08:01,140 --> 02:07:58,860 there were certain craters on the moon 2794 02:08:05,549 --> 02:08:01,150 certain and in fact one of the most 2795 02:08:09,600 --> 02:08:05,559 interesting one and that's also wanted 2796 02:08:11,819 --> 02:08:09,610 the Apollo guys to look at this is the 2797 02:08:13,620 --> 02:08:11,829 silo coffe ski crater which is near the 2798 02:08:15,810 --> 02:08:13,630 South Pole of the moon and it's on the 2799 02:08:19,219 --> 02:08:15,820 Dark Side of the Moon that is a really 2800 02:08:24,870 --> 02:08:19,229 strange looking crater and it's got this 2801 02:08:28,699 --> 02:08:24,880 flat area of it it looks like it's like 2802 02:08:31,679 --> 02:08:28,709 a like it's some kind of agriculture 2803 02:08:34,109 --> 02:08:31,689 look at agriculture and craters on the 2804 02:08:36,330 --> 02:08:34,119 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your health at alcove 2901 02:12:44,779 --> 02:12:41,820 in calm are you tired of searching for 2902 02:12:46,479 --> 02:12:44,789 great talk radio the more important 2903 02:12:54,280 --> 02:12:46,489 surge through 2904 02:13:00,980 --> 02:12:57,470 this is Jacques Vallee you're listening 2905 02:13:08,630 --> 02:13:00,990 to the podcast the gold standard of 2906 02:13:11,840 --> 02:13:08,640 normal radio we have two more segments 2907 02:13:13,910 --> 02:13:11,850 to explore the lunar mysteries lunar 2908 02:13:16,430 --> 02:13:13,920 agriculture what are we talking about 2909 02:13:18,860 --> 02:13:16,440 here David Hatcher Childress and Don 2910 02:13:21,020 --> 02:13:18,870 Ecker with Jeana and Chris okay David 2911 02:13:23,900 --> 02:13:21,030 when we broke you were talking about 2912 02:13:28,790 --> 02:13:23,910 what was described as an agricultural 2913 02:13:31,550 --> 02:13:28,800 area called ski crater and I've got 2914 02:13:33,050 --> 02:13:31,560 several photos of it in my book from now 2915 02:13:35,000 --> 02:13:33,060 so the more you look at that crater 2916 02:13:37,550 --> 02:13:35,010 that's strange that's also the crater 2917 02:13:40,970 --> 02:13:37,560 were NASA claimed that they found water 2918 02:13:43,370 --> 02:13:40,980 on the moon and ice the color of stack 2919 02:13:46,310 --> 02:13:43,380 Ling's book yeah we're talking about 2920 02:13:48,080 --> 02:13:46,320 alien bases on the moon the cover was a 2921 02:13:52,490 --> 02:13:48,090 really interesting as a photo which was 2922 02:13:56,450 --> 02:13:52,500 a photo of the moon with this glowing 2923 02:13:58,460 --> 02:13:56,460 cigar-shaped craft with even like some 2924 02:14:00,200 --> 02:13:58,470 kind of vapor coming off it and it's 2925 02:14:03,890 --> 02:14:00,210 moving across the surface of the Moon 2926 02:14:05,900 --> 02:14:03,900 and it was apparently speckling favorite 2927 02:14:07,760 --> 02:14:05,910 photo that he had discovered of the moon 2928 02:14:10,190 --> 02:14:07,770 and it's an interesting one and he put 2929 02:14:13,370 --> 02:14:10,200 it on the cover of his book and you know 2930 02:14:15,800 --> 02:14:13,380 as we're staying here is that yeah he 2931 02:14:17,870 --> 02:14:15,810 believes that these craft particularly 2932 02:14:19,790 --> 02:14:17,880 these large cigar shaped type mother's 2933 02:14:22,400 --> 02:14:19,800 craft or something that they were coming 2934 02:14:24,860 --> 02:14:22,410 to the earth sucking up thousands of 2935 02:14:26,840 --> 02:14:24,870 thousands of gallons of water and taking 2936 02:14:29,690 --> 02:14:26,850 it to the moon and you know for whatever 2937 02:14:31,100 --> 02:14:29,700 so they could mix you know drinks that 2938 02:14:33,620 --> 02:14:31,110 their moon base inside the moon or 2939 02:14:35,810 --> 02:14:33,630 something but sure but if we have water 2940 02:14:37,610 --> 02:14:35,820 on the moon can't we just build the 2941 02:14:39,650 --> 02:14:37,620 stuff there either then have to 2942 02:14:41,390 --> 02:14:39,660 transport it all that way well it's 2943 02:14:44,300 --> 02:14:41,400 pretty clear that you know there was 2944 02:14:47,420 --> 02:14:44,310 both a Moon and Mars for that matter uh 2945 02:14:48,920 --> 02:14:47,430 don't have apparently you know very 2946 02:14:51,020 --> 02:14:48,930 large amounts of water although Mars 2947 02:14:53,330 --> 02:14:51,030 might because a lot of it may be ice 2948 02:14:55,550 --> 02:14:53,340 that's underneath the surface and it's 2949 02:15:00,410 --> 02:14:55,560 covered with a red dust or something 2950 02:15:04,190 --> 02:15:00,420 that you know let me just very briefly 2951 02:15:05,210 --> 02:15:04,200 bust in here about this will cover both 2952 02:15:08,330 --> 02:15:05,220 NASA 2953 02:15:10,910 --> 02:15:08,340 as well as questions about life out 2954 02:15:13,970 --> 02:15:10,920 there one of the things that I've 2955 02:15:16,700 --> 02:15:13,980 noticed I have a had a very good friend 2956 02:15:20,690 --> 02:15:16,710 who lived a few miles up the road for me 2957 02:15:24,290 --> 02:15:20,700 who had as a neighbor just two or three 2958 02:15:28,040 --> 02:15:24,300 houses down from him a scientist that 2959 02:15:31,990 --> 02:15:28,050 worked at JPL and very clearly and I 2960 02:15:36,920 --> 02:15:32,000 remember this vividly back around 2002 2961 02:15:41,030 --> 02:15:36,930 2003 this guy told my my friend my buddy 2962 02:15:44,120 --> 02:15:41,040 that they had definitively discovered 2963 02:15:47,210 --> 02:15:44,130 water on Mars now that's always been a 2964 02:15:49,700 --> 02:15:47,220 huge huge question and even going back 2965 02:15:52,040 --> 02:15:49,710 to the Viking program in the mid 70s 2966 02:15:54,650 --> 02:15:52,050 okay that was one of the things that 2967 02:15:58,100 --> 02:15:54,660 everybody was was asking is there any 2968 02:16:00,680 --> 02:15:58,110 water on Mars and we know now that it's 2969 02:16:03,800 --> 02:16:00,690 very likely that at least in certain 2970 02:16:07,100 --> 02:16:03,810 parts of the year there is actually 2971 02:16:09,020 --> 02:16:07,110 running water from Mars and it's 2972 02:16:11,780 --> 02:16:09,030 believed that the majority of all of 2973 02:16:15,920 --> 02:16:11,790 this water that Mars at once had that 2974 02:16:18,980 --> 02:16:15,930 ran freely is now basically ice under 2975 02:16:22,520 --> 02:16:18,990 the surface so when people ask does Mars 2976 02:16:22,880 --> 02:16:22,530 have water absolutely JPL was aware of 2977 02:16:25,940 --> 02:16:22,890 that 2978 02:16:28,670 --> 02:16:25,950 I waited for a long time to hear them 2979 02:16:31,670 --> 02:16:28,680 make the announcement now why does that 2980 02:16:35,660 --> 02:16:31,680 matter it matters because one of the 2981 02:16:39,140 --> 02:16:35,670 things that NASA has always always not 2982 02:16:41,600 --> 02:16:39,150 done was basically give any good PR 2983 02:16:44,810 --> 02:16:41,610 about itself one of their mandates is 2984 02:16:48,290 --> 02:16:44,820 discovering light off planet outside the 2985 02:16:51,650 --> 02:16:48,300 earth okay but yet they had a clear 2986 02:16:54,140 --> 02:16:51,660 indicator that there was in fact a hell 2987 02:16:57,290 --> 02:16:54,150 of a lot of water on Mars and it was 2988 02:17:00,920 --> 02:16:57,300 just recently that they made a very 2989 02:17:03,740 --> 02:17:00,930 tepid announcement about that same thing 2990 02:17:06,500 --> 02:17:03,750 with the moon Clementine the Clementine 2991 02:17:08,750 --> 02:17:06,510 mission at the cessation of the mission 2992 02:17:11,360 --> 02:17:08,760 they crashed the craft into the South 2993 02:17:14,650 --> 02:17:11,370 Pole of the moon they found what they 2994 02:17:18,679 --> 02:17:14,660 then described as a pretty respectable 2995 02:17:21,319 --> 02:17:18,689 body of water not liquid 2996 02:17:24,370 --> 02:17:21,329 what would have been a fair-sized lake 2997 02:17:27,709 --> 02:17:24,380 at the South Pole of the moon okay ice 2998 02:17:29,629 --> 02:17:27,719 now one question that nobody is asked 2999 02:17:31,179 --> 02:17:29,639 where in the hell does all this ice and 3000 02:17:34,370 --> 02:17:31,189 water come from 3001 02:17:36,769 --> 02:17:34,380 apparently outer space is filled with it 3002 02:17:39,080 --> 02:17:36,779 but we never hear about it very seldom 3003 02:17:43,250 --> 02:17:39,090 do we hear about it what could it be 3004 02:17:50,269 --> 02:17:43,260 well when you take a lot of water device 3005 02:17:53,750 --> 02:17:50,279 comments how exactly you're absolutely 3006 02:17:56,269 --> 02:17:53,760 correct and it's believed it's not even 3007 02:17:59,029 --> 02:17:56,279 really known where all the water on this 3008 02:18:01,609 --> 02:17:59,039 planet came from a lot of people think 3009 02:18:05,269 --> 02:18:01,619 that it came from billions of years of 3010 02:18:08,629 --> 02:18:05,279 icy comets or at least one of the places 3011 02:18:11,509 --> 02:18:08,639 it came from was icy comets crashing 3012 02:18:14,389 --> 02:18:11,519 into our planet as well as the moon and 3013 02:18:17,120 --> 02:18:14,399 that's very likely where that ice came 3014 02:18:19,099 --> 02:18:17,130 from so yeah if we go up there we put a 3015 02:18:20,540 --> 02:18:19,109 base on there we want to make rocket 3016 02:18:23,779 --> 02:18:20,550 fuel and what-have-you 3017 02:18:25,639 --> 02:18:23,789 by distilling water that's where it's 3018 02:18:27,379 --> 02:18:25,649 gonna come from we're talking about 3019 02:18:29,750 --> 02:18:27,389 water and that's an important building 3020 02:18:32,989 --> 02:18:29,760 block but for life on this planet and 3021 02:18:34,790 --> 02:18:32,999 probably many others what about life on 3022 02:18:36,769 --> 02:18:34,800 the moon we know here's a question from 3023 02:18:38,750 --> 02:18:36,779 pixel Smith now I'm not sure where he 3024 02:18:41,239 --> 02:18:38,760 gets this information but I'll just read 3025 02:18:44,209 --> 02:18:41,249 his question we know that bacterium can 3026 02:18:47,599 --> 02:18:44,219 survive at least 2.5 years on the lunar 3027 02:18:49,969 --> 02:18:47,609 surface Apollo 12 brought some back I 3028 02:18:51,559 --> 02:18:49,979 didn't know that do you think there are 3029 02:18:53,989 --> 02:18:51,569 other bacterium or life-forms living 3030 02:18:56,809 --> 02:18:53,999 there right now who is that directed to 3031 02:18:59,059 --> 02:18:56,819 well either one of you oh yeah I mean I 3032 02:19:01,069 --> 02:18:59,069 can say sure I mean as far as I'm 3033 02:19:04,099 --> 02:19:01,079 concerned yeah there's there is life on 3034 02:19:06,889 --> 02:19:04,109 the moon it may not be indigenous life 3035 02:19:08,479 --> 02:19:06,899 just like when the Apollo astronauts 3036 02:19:09,889 --> 02:19:08,489 I guess went to the moon you know they 3037 02:19:11,929 --> 02:19:09,899 were there were people on the moon 3038 02:19:14,599 --> 02:19:11,939 running around and they brought bacteria 3039 02:19:16,639 --> 02:19:14,609 and water with them when they went snack 3040 02:19:19,009 --> 02:19:16,649 bars and everything yeah but it you know 3041 02:19:21,379 --> 02:19:19,019 of course I'm maintaining that yeah 3042 02:19:23,899 --> 02:19:21,389 there's there's more going on on the 3043 02:19:26,059 --> 02:19:23,909 moon than that and yeah I'm young I'm a 3044 02:19:28,160 --> 02:19:26,069 as I've been talking for the last couple 3045 02:19:31,220 --> 02:19:28,170 hours I'm a firm believer there are 3046 02:19:34,130 --> 02:19:31,230 bases on the moon there are dome cities 3047 02:19:36,680 --> 02:19:34,140 our underground facilities there it's 3048 02:19:39,291 --> 02:19:36,690 occupied and it if it's not occupied by 3049 02:19:41,720 --> 02:19:39,301 aliens and it's occupied by humans and 3050 02:19:45,590 --> 02:19:41,730 maybe you know maybe the aliens are were 3051 02:19:48,921 --> 02:19:45,600 the aliens in fact it's what do you 3052 02:19:53,140 --> 02:19:48,931 think done well I gotta tell you I'm a 3053 02:19:55,761 --> 02:19:53,150 much more I think Tasha's in in my 3054 02:19:58,310 --> 02:19:55,771 speculation because let's face it what 3055 02:20:01,480 --> 02:19:58,320 we're basically doing here is is we're 3056 02:20:04,270 --> 02:20:01,490 engaging in a lot of speculation 3057 02:20:07,940 --> 02:20:04,280 informed granted informed speculation 3058 02:20:10,461 --> 02:20:07,950 but I I obviously don't know I've never 3059 02:20:14,921 --> 02:20:10,471 been there I'd love to go but never been 3060 02:20:18,110 --> 02:20:14,931 there but if you were to ask me about my 3061 02:20:22,180 --> 02:20:18,120 speculation about whether there have 3062 02:20:26,091 --> 02:20:22,190 been at least previously if not even now 3063 02:20:29,301 --> 02:20:26,101 an extraterrestrial presence there I 3064 02:20:32,150 --> 02:20:29,311 would would gear toward the side that 3065 02:20:34,581 --> 02:20:32,160 yeah I I think it I think there is and 3066 02:20:37,371 --> 02:20:34,591 and for a lot of reasons not the least 3067 02:20:41,270 --> 02:20:37,381 of which has been my 20-plus years now 3068 02:20:43,730 --> 02:20:41,280 of research but a number of people that 3069 02:20:47,180 --> 02:20:43,740 I have interviewed that that I have 3070 02:20:51,921 --> 02:20:47,190 great respect for their standpoint one 3071 02:20:54,680 --> 02:20:51,931 of them being dr. Karl Wolfe now this is 3072 02:20:57,591 --> 02:20:54,690 something that we have never really 3073 02:21:03,980 --> 02:20:57,601 discussed on this program although we 3074 02:21:07,190 --> 02:21:03,990 have in passing Karl Wolfe was a guy he 3075 02:21:12,381 --> 02:21:07,200 lives here in Southern California he's 3076 02:21:14,230 --> 02:21:12,391 not now engaged in what he did when he 3077 02:21:18,171 --> 02:21:14,240 was in the Air Force which was 3078 02:21:21,801 --> 02:21:18,181 electronics but back in the mid-60s when 3079 02:21:25,341 --> 02:21:21,811 we were first starting to send unmanned 3080 02:21:26,570 --> 02:21:25,351 probes up there in lieu of the emerging 3081 02:21:29,720 --> 02:21:26,580 Apollo program 3082 02:21:32,990 --> 02:21:29,730 he was an electronics technician with a 3083 02:21:35,121 --> 02:21:33,000 secret clearance he was working out of 3084 02:21:38,501 --> 02:21:35,131 Langley Air Force Base 3085 02:21:42,051 --> 02:21:38,511 now where's Langley real close to or 3086 02:21:45,170 --> 02:21:42,061 what bureaucracy is there well that 3087 02:21:49,580 --> 02:21:45,180 that's back where the CIA is 3088 02:21:51,349 --> 02:21:49,590 quartered and when he was there he 3089 02:21:54,260 --> 02:21:51,359 received a call from one of his 3090 02:21:57,439 --> 02:21:54,270 supervisors there was at that time an 3091 02:22:01,070 --> 02:21:57,449 unmanned mission going on that was 3092 02:22:04,969 --> 02:22:01,080 sending telemetry back to one facility 3093 02:22:08,689 --> 02:22:04,979 and they were printing out these lunar 3094 02:22:10,429 --> 02:22:08,699 photographs apparently and remember now 3095 02:22:13,910 --> 02:22:10,439 we're talking about the 60s so the 3096 02:22:16,820 --> 02:22:13,920 technology is not what it was today one 3097 02:22:19,729 --> 02:22:16,830 of their printers went down and he was 3098 02:22:21,320 --> 02:22:19,739 dispatched over there to take a look to 3099 02:22:24,170 --> 02:22:21,330 see if he could 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G C and great talk radio 3197 02:26:59,720 --> 02:26:57,330 starts here smear and I'm here to say a 3198 02:27:02,810 --> 02:26:59,730 good word or two about the para cast 3199 02:27:12,710 --> 02:27:02,820 which I believe is the gold standard the 3200 02:27:15,410 --> 02:27:12,720 paranormal radio don't forget to write 3201 02:27:17,720 --> 02:27:15,420 us news at the para cast com that's news 3202 02:27:20,570 --> 02:27:17,730 at the power cast calm 3203 02:27:22,910 --> 02:27:20,580 we're back with Gina and Chris David 3204 02:27:24,921 --> 02:27:22,920 Hatcher Childress Don Ecker Don this our 3205 02:27:27,171 --> 02:27:24,931 final segment and we may have some more 3206 02:27:30,200 --> 02:27:27,181 questions to ask can you wrap this up 3207 02:27:32,750 --> 02:27:30,210 real quick before we go on absolutely he 3208 02:27:35,421 --> 02:27:32,760 discovered that there were a lot of 3209 02:27:37,220 --> 02:27:35,431 scientists there not only Americans but 3210 02:27:40,820 --> 02:27:37,230 from the way he described it there were 3211 02:27:43,011 --> 02:27:40,830 various scientific entities from around 3212 02:27:45,860 --> 02:27:43,021 the globe but he got back there he 3213 02:27:49,341 --> 02:27:45,870 started examining this printer when 3214 02:27:51,890 --> 02:27:49,351 suddenly the lone airman that was left 3215 02:27:55,280 --> 02:27:51,900 in there until the machine was repaired 3216 02:27:58,511 --> 02:27:55,290 turned to Carl and said we found a base 3217 02:28:01,310 --> 02:27:58,521 on the moon which absolutely shocked 3218 02:28:03,620 --> 02:28:01,320 Carl and he said you why he said we 3219 02:28:05,511 --> 02:28:03,630 found a base on the moon now Carl 3220 02:28:07,730 --> 02:28:05,521 immediately thought that he meant well 3221 02:28:11,450 --> 02:28:07,740 maybe a Russian base or something like 3222 02:28:14,570 --> 02:28:11,460 that but no no this airman pulled a 3223 02:28:16,881 --> 02:28:14,580 photograph out and showed him on the far 3224 02:28:19,250 --> 02:28:16,891 side of the moon what we refer to as the 3225 02:28:20,929 --> 02:28:19,260 dark side of the moon what appeared to 3226 02:28:25,699 --> 02:28:20,939 be a 3227 02:28:28,609 --> 02:28:25,709 the their buildings towers antenna the 3228 02:28:32,210 --> 02:28:28,619 whole nine yards now was I there 3229 02:28:35,510 --> 02:28:32,220 absolutely not did I see this no I did 3230 02:28:38,059 --> 02:28:35,520 not do I believe Carl knowing Carl for 3231 02:28:40,880 --> 02:28:38,069 as long as I have and I have worked with 3232 02:28:43,609 --> 02:28:40,890 him over the years he has absolutely no 3233 02:28:46,609 --> 02:28:43,619 one you know no reason to lie to me 3234 02:28:48,800 --> 02:28:46,619 about this and I've always known him to 3235 02:28:51,739 --> 02:28:48,810 be a truthful guy so this is one of 3236 02:28:54,500 --> 02:28:51,749 those anomalies that occasionally pop up 3237 02:28:57,319 --> 02:28:54,510 and hey you know take it for what it's 3238 02:28:59,719 --> 02:28:57,329 worth but I believed them Wow 3239 02:29:02,750 --> 02:28:59,729 here's a question from exo doc who's a 3240 02:29:05,389 --> 02:29:02,760 longtime poster on the forum gentlemen 3241 02:29:07,910 --> 02:29:05,399 yes what are some of your top pick lunar 3242 02:29:12,170 --> 02:29:07,920 phenomena events or picks David want you 3243 02:29:14,559 --> 02:29:12,180 start with that in my book and there's a 3244 02:29:17,599 --> 02:29:14,569 video too of it extraterrestrial 3245 02:29:19,340 --> 02:29:17,609 archaeology yeah I mean in there I run 3246 02:29:20,739 --> 02:29:19,350 through you know all kinds of different 3247 02:29:22,670 --> 02:29:20,749 anomalies and things 3248 02:29:25,279 --> 02:29:22,680 what I find were probably the most 3249 02:29:27,710 --> 02:29:25,289 interesting which I mentioned before are 3250 02:29:31,130 --> 02:29:27,720 these things moving around on the moon 3251 02:29:34,880 --> 02:29:31,140 and I leave a track at red behind him 3252 02:29:38,929 --> 02:29:34,890 and I mean those are NASA photographs of 3253 02:29:41,330 --> 02:29:38,939 these things yeah the way you look at 3254 02:29:43,399 --> 02:29:41,340 those when you look at that yeah you can 3255 02:29:45,260 --> 02:29:43,409 see something's going on there and then 3256 02:29:47,090 --> 02:29:45,270 things are moving around on the moon 3257 02:29:49,550 --> 02:29:47,100 leaving a trail track behind them 3258 02:29:51,050 --> 02:29:49,560 NASA admit that I mean they say they're 3259 02:29:53,569 --> 02:29:51,060 just rocks rolling around on the moon 3260 02:29:57,080 --> 02:29:53,579 but I mean in my mind these are real 3261 02:29:59,120 --> 02:29:57,090 objects and there's they self propelled 3262 02:30:01,179 --> 02:29:59,130 going through the moon the moon too I 3263 02:30:03,290 --> 02:30:01,189 believe is being mined so yeah go ahead 3264 02:30:05,300 --> 02:30:03,300 yeah done what would you say what's your 3265 02:30:10,279 --> 02:30:05,310 top pick for a lute or lunar mystery 3266 02:30:13,309 --> 02:30:10,289 what this is gonna sound like a tease 3267 02:30:16,880 --> 02:30:13,319 again but it's the photograph that I 3268 02:30:22,040 --> 02:30:16,890 discovered in 1997 that I have yet to 3269 02:30:25,790 --> 02:30:22,050 release the clearly shows artificial an 3270 02:30:28,699 --> 02:30:25,800 artificial object that was extending 3271 02:30:31,250 --> 02:30:28,709 through a crater it was taken and the 3272 02:30:34,711 --> 02:30:31,260 photograph was taken in September of 66 3273 02:30:37,711 --> 02:30:34,721 from this unmanned probe 3274 02:30:39,600 --> 02:30:37,721 and you can follow it on the photograph 3275 02:30:42,301 --> 02:30:39,610 and this incidentally this photograph 3276 02:30:45,810 --> 02:30:42,311 came from an actual NASA source it 3277 02:30:49,890 --> 02:30:45,820 follows from the crater through what 3278 02:30:53,371 --> 02:30:49,900 goes over a cliff and you can see this 3279 02:30:59,011 --> 02:30:53,381 object again extending out of the clip 3280 02:31:01,770 --> 02:30:59,021 with an object on the end of this this 3281 02:31:05,491 --> 02:31:01,780 artificial it can only be artificial 3282 02:31:10,111 --> 02:31:05,501 this artificial object now I've been 3283 02:31:12,720 --> 02:31:10,121 been trying to think of some venue to 3284 02:31:15,871 --> 02:31:12,730 present this this photograph along with 3285 02:31:20,161 --> 02:31:15,881 a lot of other material I have but some 3286 02:31:23,371 --> 02:31:20,171 venue that would be suitable and when I 3287 02:31:26,191 --> 02:31:23,381 say that but the maximum exposure so i 3288 02:31:28,711 --> 02:31:26,201 i've been i've been very tentative about 3289 02:31:31,591 --> 02:31:28,721 just willy-nilly presenting this thing 3290 02:31:35,850 --> 02:31:31,601 because about a few hints or samples to 3291 02:31:39,511 --> 02:31:35,860 tantalize us done one or two that's all 3292 02:31:41,220 --> 02:31:39,521 we can post it on our forums we can get 3293 02:31:43,201 --> 02:31:41,230 a really good link there for you to put 3294 02:31:44,551 --> 02:31:43,211 up and then you know later on you want 3295 02:31:47,100 --> 02:31:44,561 to put more up that's fine but just 3296 02:31:49,291 --> 02:31:47,110 something to whet their appetites 3297 02:31:51,930 --> 02:31:49,301 yeah Chum the waters yeah chum the 3298 02:31:54,631 --> 02:31:51,940 waters I would have to I would have to 3299 02:31:56,671 --> 02:31:54,641 think about this longer before I do we 3300 02:31:58,381 --> 02:31:56,681 have another question left Chris you 3301 02:32:01,350 --> 02:31:58,391 know there's uh and this is a question 3302 02:32:03,691 --> 02:32:01,360 that I have as well in basically it's 3303 02:32:05,761 --> 02:32:03,701 it's how can we get NASA to release all 3304 02:32:07,951 --> 02:32:05,771 those photos from Apollo Clementine and 3305 02:32:09,991 --> 02:32:07,961 other missions but one thing I want to 3306 02:32:12,031 --> 02:32:10,001 ask David it would you and I both heard 3307 02:32:15,331 --> 02:32:12,041 a very interesting story involving Tom 3308 02:32:17,911 --> 02:32:15,341 Bearden this story involves microwaving 3309 02:32:19,680 --> 02:32:17,921 excess energy from the power grid here 3310 02:32:21,451 --> 02:32:19,690 in North America to the moon you want to 3311 02:32:23,011 --> 02:32:21,461 briefly give us a little summation on 3312 02:32:26,131 --> 02:32:23,021 that that's that's always intrigued me 3313 02:32:31,041 --> 02:32:26,141 yeah right I don't know if you've ever 3314 02:32:35,701 --> 02:32:31,051 heard this Don but yeah Tom Bearden yeah 3315 02:32:38,161 --> 02:32:35,711 you know of his friend Farnsworth's who 3316 02:32:39,961 --> 02:32:38,171 was a grandson of Sela Farnsworth who've 3317 02:32:43,411 --> 02:32:39,971 been of the television live in 3318 02:32:46,051 --> 02:32:43,421 Huntsville Alabama and Tom Bearden's you 3319 02:32:47,791 --> 02:32:46,061 know famous for being involved you know 3320 02:32:49,440 --> 02:32:47,801 Tesla technology a lot of secret 3321 02:32:52,810 --> 02:32:49,450 technology 3322 02:32:53,050 --> 02:32:52,820 the beam-weapons and all that kind of 3323 02:32:56,110 --> 02:32:53,060 stuff 3324 02:32:57,880 --> 02:32:56,120 things that are supposedly sci-fi but 3325 02:33:00,670 --> 02:32:57,890 this friend of mine from Indiana who 3326 02:33:02,679 --> 02:33:00,680 visited him told me the story that he 3327 02:33:05,860 --> 02:33:02,689 was sitting there talking with Tom 3328 02:33:07,990 --> 02:33:05,870 Bearden and Farnsworth about Tesla and 3329 02:33:12,540 --> 02:33:08,000 all this different technology and then 3330 02:33:15,300 --> 02:33:12,550 they proceeded to tell him that well the 3331 02:33:19,000 --> 02:33:15,310 the energy grid of the United States 3332 02:33:21,820 --> 02:33:19,010 once once AC power has been put into it 3333 02:33:23,020 --> 02:33:21,830 by whatever hydroelectric and nuclear 3334 02:33:24,040 --> 02:33:23,030 power plants and coal burning power 3335 02:33:27,520 --> 02:33:24,050 plants or whatever 3336 02:33:29,710 --> 02:33:27,530 once that power goes into the grid it 3337 02:33:33,429 --> 02:33:29,720 has to be used and it can't really be 3338 02:33:36,280 --> 02:33:33,439 saved unlike natural gas or something 3339 02:33:39,639 --> 02:33:36,290 like that once it's in the grid either 3340 02:33:41,230 --> 02:33:39,649 people use it or they don't and what 3341 02:33:43,000 --> 02:33:41,240 they maintained was something very 3342 02:33:46,780 --> 02:33:43,010 interesting they said that there's 3343 02:33:49,090 --> 02:33:46,790 basically excess power in the North 3344 02:33:52,060 --> 02:33:49,100 American energy grid at any time and 3345 02:33:55,480 --> 02:33:52,070 they maintained incredibly that that 3346 02:33:58,840 --> 02:33:55,490 power was then siphoned off the grid to 3347 02:34:01,060 --> 02:33:58,850 a secret base in Mexico he said but it's 3348 02:34:04,750 --> 02:34:01,070 an American base but it's outside of our 3349 02:34:07,510 --> 02:34:04,760 own country and that they microwave it 3350 02:34:08,980 --> 02:34:07,520 to the moon to a secret base on the moon 3351 02:34:11,950 --> 02:34:08,990 that's what they told him back in the 3352 02:34:13,870 --> 02:34:11,960 nineties so and you know I got of course 3353 02:34:16,210 --> 02:34:13,880 I never heard that before I have no idea 3354 02:34:19,270 --> 02:34:16,220 there is a movie that's somewhat based 3355 02:34:22,179 --> 02:34:19,280 on this called the arrival with Charlie 3356 02:34:26,590 --> 02:34:22,189 Sheen and that movie is also about a 3357 02:34:28,590 --> 02:34:26,600 secret base in in Mexico and they go to 3358 02:34:31,750 --> 02:34:28,600 it it's in the movie it's an alien base 3359 02:34:34,990 --> 02:34:31,760 but that's what the arrival is basically 3360 02:34:44,830 --> 02:34:35,000 about now Charlie Sheen became a total 3361 02:34:47,980 --> 02:34:44,840 wacko in his pre wakko days I sometimes 3362 02:34:50,370 --> 02:34:47,990 think that yeah Hollywood does sort of 3363 02:34:54,190 --> 02:34:50,380 imitate reality in it you know in a way 3364 02:34:56,170 --> 02:34:54,200 sometimes and even the government uses 3365 02:34:58,660 --> 02:34:56,180 that Hollywood for disinformation and 3366 02:35:00,490 --> 02:34:58,670 stuff like that but that is true about 3367 02:35:02,000 --> 02:35:00,500 the energy grid and it was something I 3368 02:35:03,830 --> 02:35:02,010 never really thought about 3369 02:35:06,500 --> 02:35:03,840 but the power grid within the US yeah 3370 02:35:09,230 --> 02:35:06,510 there is the idea is that there is 3371 02:35:12,710 --> 02:35:09,240 excess energy in there and that the 3372 02:35:15,590 --> 02:35:12,720 military would be would cleverly use 3373 02:35:18,019 --> 02:35:15,600 that excess energy to do something seem 3374 02:35:19,910 --> 02:35:18,029 quite possible I mean it seems pretty 3375 02:35:21,860 --> 02:35:19,920 far-fetched I admit but it's very 3376 02:35:23,570 --> 02:35:21,870 intriguing thought well we only have a 3377 02:35:26,210 --> 02:35:23,580 minute and a half left so I don't want 3378 02:35:27,920 --> 02:35:26,220 to get into any more extensive 3379 02:35:29,420 --> 02:35:27,930 discussions because we're just gonna run 3380 02:35:31,309 --> 02:35:29,430 out of time when the clock goes down 3381 02:35:34,400 --> 02:35:31,319 that's it but I don't have too much fun 3382 02:35:35,540 --> 02:35:34,410 Jean Don and David it's been real fun a 3383 02:35:37,190 --> 02:35:35,550 lot of people have been looking forward 3384 02:35:40,130 --> 02:35:37,200 to this particular episode thank you 3385 02:35:42,410 --> 02:35:40,140 both so much for for coming on a level 3386 02:35:45,769 --> 02:35:42,420 time to show guys when we can just sit 3387 02:35:47,300 --> 02:35:45,779 back and say okay go to it Don where do 3388 02:35:51,860 --> 02:35:47,310 we find more of the stuff that you write 3389 02:35:55,460 --> 02:35:51,870 about well actually two places the dark 3390 02:35:59,870 --> 02:35:55,470 matters radio forum on the para cast and 3391 02:36:01,370 --> 02:35:59,880 the Dark Matters radio.com blog site 3392 02:36:03,620 --> 02:36:01,380 sounds great 3393 02:36:07,130 --> 02:36:03,630 David Hatcher Childress where do we find 3394 02:36:08,840 --> 02:36:07,140 more of your stuff you can find my book 3395 02:36:10,790 --> 02:36:08,850 Extra Terrestrial archaeology and 3396 02:36:15,250 --> 02:36:10,800 there's a DVD that goes along with the 3397 02:36:18,260 --> 02:36:15,260 two at Adventures unlimited press.com 3398 02:36:21,139 --> 02:36:18,270 and we have pretty extensive site of 3399 02:36:23,660 --> 02:36:21,149 books and DVDs and other things like 3400 02:36:25,730 --> 02:36:23,670 there's a huge catalogue man I've seen 3401 02:36:28,639 --> 02:36:25,740 that catalog a huge amount of stuff 3402 02:36:31,610 --> 02:36:28,649 Chris O'Brien where do we get those new 3403 02:36:34,610 --> 02:36:31,620 DVDs about UFO disclosure well you can 3404 02:36:35,960 --> 02:36:34,620 go to my website our strange planet calm 3405 02:36:38,690 --> 02:36:35,970 it is a strange planet 3406 02:36:40,429 --> 02:36:38,700 it's our strange planet and we also have 3407 02:36:42,650 --> 02:36:40,439 a strange moon from the sound of our 3408 02:36:44,780 --> 02:36:42,660 show today I want again thank you guys 3409 02:36:47,630 --> 02:36:44,790 and neighbors we can be found as well 3410 02:36:49,429 --> 02:36:47,640 you can find us at the para cast comm 3411 02:36:52,340 --> 02:36:49,439 once again that's the parent cast comm 3412 02:36:55,190 --> 02:36:52,350 or write us news at the power cast comm 3413 02:37:00,500 --> 02:36:55,200 once again new was at the para cast comm 3414 02:37:02,480 --> 02:37:00,510 we ought to do this again guys it was a 3415 02:37:11,201 --> 02:37:02,490 great episode thank you both okay 3416 02:37:17,631 --> 02:37:14,751 the para cast featuring gene Steinberg 3417 02:37:20,650 --> 02:37:17,641 and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted 3418 02:37:24,350 --> 02:37:20,660 presentation of making the impossible